The fifth WDW theme park thread

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    Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

    <<A lot of money, but the place just isn't changing all that much.>>

    I just love when you make blanket statements like this that have little basis in reality.

    A lot is changing. The scope of this will be massive when and IF (i'll add it before you do) this is completed!
     
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    Originally Posted By jonvn

    I base all my statements on what is announced so far. If it is not announced, it is not happening. (See philarmagic).
     
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    Originally Posted By wahooskipper

    There is no doubt in my mind there will be another gate. With that be a fifth gate...or an 8th gate? I mean, Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach are "gates" as far as I'm concerned.

    Will it be anytime soon? No, I don't think so. But, I'll tell you this. I have a pretty long memory when it comes to all things Disney and I can tell you that the "there won't be a 4th gate" folks were pretty loud 15 years or so ago but I am really enjoying Animal Kingdom.
     
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    Originally Posted By Simba12

    Okay, so you believe everything the Disney Company "officially" says. Like, about four months ago they said that they would not change the name of Disney-MGM "anytime soon". So, we should read a lot into "no new theme parks in the foreseeable future". My information comes from Blue Sky Disney which seems to be pretty reliable so far. However, they said that we shouldn't expect a new theme park until at least 2015. How can someone claim that they will "never" build a new theme park. If they remain that conservative the parks' attendance will plummet. People want something new to be excited about. They don't want to make a special trip to see the same parks year after year, (I'm not talking about die hard Disney freaks like us). The world population is expected to jump from 6 billion to 9 billion by 2050, how can they not plan for future parks. That would be very short-sighted and narrow minded.
     
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    Originally Posted By BeautysBeast

    Since no one who posts on LP has any say in the matter of whether another gate will be happening there is plenty of room for arm chair quarterbacking.
     
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    Originally Posted By jonvn

    "Okay, so you believe everything the Disney Company "officially" says. "

    Me? Pretty much. Particularly when it comes to what is going to be built.

    But even then, there is a difference between announced plans and what actually ends up happening.
     
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    Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom

    I would expect to see another Disney Park in another foreign country before seeing an additional park in either DLR or WDW.
     
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    Originally Posted By MPierce

    We can all dream about a 5th gate. Evidentually it will happen. The immediate plans are for a consistent refurb, and maintaince program, along with expanding the attractions in the existing parks. I'm sure Disney has planned for a 5th, and 6th gate. It's always good to look down the road for future development. I just wish they had long term goals to improve what they have for now. WDW has a staffing problem. This is no secret. They do not pay very much, so they are limited with the number of good quality people they can hire. Yes they still have plenty of great CM, but they really need to take care of them are they will find them selves really short handed. I don't think the CM's that are on LP can comment to much on this, but they do work them long, and hard sometimes to make up for the shortage of folks they actually need to provide the best Disney experience. If they don't have enough folks now how could they provide CM's for another park. WDW already farms out a lot of their jobs now trying to take those CM that were replaced by an outside service, and spreading them around. I'm also worried long term if to many CM are really employeed by other company's the Magic will be lessened even more at WDW. Translation, no new gate anytime soon.
     
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    Originally Posted By jonvn

    I think it was Spirit who explained earlier why another gate is not very likely. There just isn't enough time in the typical week long vacation for people to do all these things anymore. If they build another gate, they'll have 5. If you go to each one of these parks for one day, you have taken up your whole vacation (1 day travel each way).

    People aren't going to start taking longer vacations. If any more parks go in, they simply will start taking customers from their existing parks.
     
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    Originally Posted By kennect

    Spirit, I think your key word there was "young"...Not to sound mean but how old is this character anyway? History around here has shown that young new members seem to get very excited about things that may or may not happen...I feel sure there will be a fifth gate one day but I will probably be long dead when it happens and I don't plan on that happening any time soon....I hope to live another good twenty five or thirty years....
     
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    Originally Posted By Simba12

    It's made my day being thought of as a young person. I think that most of us will be alive to see the fifth and sixth theme parks. I can't help but believe that the Flamingo Crossings being developed on the west property that will contribute up to 5,000 new hotel rooms on Disney property over the next ten years and the new Four Seasons resort are being built to support future expansion. I mean, why else would they be building more hotel rooms? They now have a 90% on site hotel occupancy. But, that's still no reason to build more rooms. You would think that the new "economy" hotels and motels would take away from Disney resorts. So, keeping in mind the state of the economy, etc., I expect to see an announcement around 2011 or 2012 with completion of a new park about four years later.
     
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    Originally Posted By mickeyboy43

    Oka, to the original thing, i dont believe there will be a 5th gate for a while. Disney is too interested in offering a large number of long-term guests (hence all the dvc) to really care about a park at this instance. However, i think it will be like an oversized fantasyland/mttf. oh well.
     
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    Originally Posted By Tip Top Club

    I agree that sometime in the future there will probably be a fifth gate at WDW. However I stress Future. With the Massive Undertaking at DL, I honestly wouldn't expect any MAJOR attractions after Toy Story Mania opens for the near future, and even after that I can really see them concentrating on MGM...er...DHS, what with all the proposed things and what nots and so forths going on over there. After that they need to take care of that Wonders of Life Problem over at Epcot, and making Animal Kingdom a Full-Day event, Like the supposed nighttime lantern show I've been hearing rumors about. and hopefully future attractions. (Although I've heard tell that Beastly Kingdomme is dead so don't even bring that up). I have however heard rumblings of Austrailia. (And Once again I stress Rumblings, i'm not trying to start rumors or anything.) So, in short, I do think a fifth gate will happen in the distant future, but the rest of Disney's Parks and Resort needs some TLC before even thinking about that.
     
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    Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

    <<Spirit, I think your key word there was "young"...Not to sound mean but how old is this character anyway? History around here has shown that young new members seem to get very excited about things that may or may not happen...I feel sure there will be a fifth gate one day but I will probably be long dead when it happens and I don't plan on that happening any time soon....I hope to live another good twenty five or thirty years....>>

    I hope you live much longer!

    But there will not be any new 'gates' (that means major theme parks like the four that exist, not water parks or other entertainment venues like DD) at WDW for DECADES and, quite likely, at all.

    I've listed the reasons here before (and thanks Jon for repeating some of the most pertinent points), and I just don't want to accused of attacking some young newbie who has no clue what he/she is talking about (and I'm not saying that in a mean way, just a matter of fact one).

    And getting information from Blue Sky Disney is worse than even getting it from Al Lutz as most of what BSD does is regurgitate Al's stuff with some flourishes and a few 'details' that can either reasonably be extrapolated or will be easy to simply say 'they changed their minds' down the way.

    I try (don't always succeed) in stating things as I know them to be fact based upon what Disney says on the record, what its execs and Imagineers who I know say off of it and just simple common sense.

    Disney has had problems with cannibalization starting with the opening of Disney-MGM Studios. When DAK opened, it became a huge problem. Because you stop adding guests, you stop extending vacations because people (unless they're UKers) have limited time, which doesn't expand just because Disney does. Because you invest billions and then spend more to operate and maintain the new parks, while the point of diminishing returns (see basic college economics) has already been reached.

    Sure, Disney needs to freshen its product and add things to bring new guests. That's why they have huge marketing campaigns and sometimes even add new $100-200 million attactions.

    Disney will continue to open new attractions, debut new entertainment (maybe even at the MK some day!), and at some point another water park is a given (likely within five years).

    But a new gate? Sorry, kid, but that'll happen about the same time our President declares Iraq a disaster and universal healthcare a great thing. In other words: it won't.

    Oh ... I guess, I kinda repeated myself yet again for another newbie with all the answers.
     
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    Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

    <<I expect to see an announcement around 2011 or 2012 with completion of a new park about four years later. >>

    Yep, and I expect people to want to do the right things in daily life. I'm disappointed daily when they don't.

    Guess what, kid. You'll be very disappointed if you think a new park is coming to WDW and an announcement is coming in 2011.

    Use some common sense and reasoning here.

    Why don't you
     
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    Originally Posted By wahooskipper

    Since when did common sense and reasoning play into any decisions at major American corporations?

    I'll tell you what will get a 5th gate built more than any other reason: Ego. Some new CEO will be convinced by some new Imagineer or young accountant that the time is right and that CEO will want to have a place amongst Walt and Michael.
     
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    Originally Posted By dshyates

    Thats when they'll build a 2 park indoor outletmall in Wisconsin Dells.
     
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    Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420

    spirit, I understand that you are the unofficial president of the walt disney company and everything happens because you say it does and that disney parks would be better if little kids weren't running around and making noise and ruining the experience for you because you have annual passes to every park ever built and that simply makes you a better human being. And I know you think because you have been on the forums the longest, you have the right to tell everyone who came in after you what is right and wrong. This is not the case, you are not what these forums are about, its people like you who are turning them into anti-disney websites with all your complaining about the parks and upkeep and telling people everything that is wrong with disney and weighing them against what is right. There are other sites for that, maybe you should visit them. I said thii in another post and I will say it again to get my point across. Disney is for the little kids and the young at heart, it about is about the look on a little kids face when they meet mickey for the first time or see the castle. Those are the real fans, not the people like you who think disney should cater to the older people just because they have spent so much time and money coming to the parks. I hate to break it to you, but Disney caters to the family of four who spends an average of $5,000 on their one week vacation, who go to the quick service locations and spend $30 on a t-shirt. Thats what you learn in their orientations. look it up. So, I don't think disney is spending all their time and money to amuse the annual pass holder who comes all the time just so they can complain about disrepair and prices and run home as fast as they can to post it on the internet. So spirit, let it go. Stop harrasing younger disney fans who want to see more parks, and STOP complaining about everything, if you have so many problems with how disney operates, Don't go, Universal is down the block.
     
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    Originally Posted By barboy

    "There just isn't enough time in the typical week long vacation for people to do all these things anymore."


    But half of western Europe has been crossing the Atlantic and those South Am. Sao Paulo crowds and the like have been coming up to Orlando too; these cats have been known to take long US tours, longer than 7 days. Throw in some African travelers coupled with the Aussie connection and you got yourself a pretty strong foreign WDW tourist demographic-- a troop that can not only fill in for the missing domestic park goers but stuff their suitcases with cheap souvenirs to show their envious friends, family and neighbors back home.

    Look, the world is dramatically smaller now as global air travel is such common place -- and don't worry about the US dept. of State as she is issuing tourist visas by the hundreds of thousands to those who can show that they can afford a WDW vacation, an easy feat with such a weak US dollar.

    A 5th gate would do well.
     
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    Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420

    thanks barboy, another person on team fifth gate-woo hoo!
     

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