Originally Posted By Tip Top Club "Since when did common sense and reasoning play into any decisions at major American corporations?" I have to say that's probably the most relevant thing in this entire thread.
Originally Posted By MPierce WOW...runs downstairs to pop some real popcorn. I'll be back waiting in a minute for that grumpy old Spirits reply. Don't start without me!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> thanks barboy, another person on team fifth gate-woo hoo! << You two guys better hurry, and break ground if you want it built by 2015!
Originally Posted By land fan I'd be all for a new park if the quality was there. But chances are this fifth gate would probably have only one good ride and the rest of it would be reataurants and shops. And by 2015 the admission prices will be through the roof.I simply wont pay over a hundred bucks to get into a shopping mall. Meanwhile WDW's flagship park, Magic Kingdom,(the park with the highest attendance),continues to be left untouched.(with the exception of some minor upgrades on some of the E tickets which should have been done years ago.)
Originally Posted By barboy "thanks barboy, another person on team fifth gate-woo hoo!" "You two guys better hurry, and break ground if you want it built by 2015!" Hold on for just a second or two--- I am not necessarily in favor of a 5th gate(maybe I am, maybe I am not) I am just saying that I don't think that the lack of vacation time is terribly relevant and would doom a new park when we are seeing(and have seen)a strong influx of overseas friends.
Originally Posted By barboy "I'd be all for a new park if the quality was there. But chances are this fifth gate would probably have only one good ride and the rest of it would be reataurants and shops." Agreed!
Originally Posted By land fan Yes it's true. Restaurants and shops. The last time I was in World Showcase at EPCOT I got the impression that I was in a highly themed shopping mall with no real attractions to speak of. Yes,the Norway ride was put in, what, some 20 years ago? And we all know what an E ticket that was! I've heard rumors about new thrill rides coming soon to World Showcase, and boy do they need them. Yes Disney, take care of the parks you've already built. No need for a new park just yet.
Originally Posted By Tip Top Club Agreed completly, all the parks need a bit of TLC before even thinking about a fifth gate.
Originally Posted By Simba12 I believe that Disney has more than enough money to improve and add to existing parks as well as add new theme parks. As far as adding to the existing theme parks, I have a few new rumors and speculation about upcoming attractions. I think that I'll start a new thread for it.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<spirit, I understand that you are the unofficial president of the walt disney company and everything happens because you say it does and that disney parks would be better if little kids weren't running around and making noise and ruining the experience for you because you have annual passes to every park ever built and that simply makes you a better human being.>> Wow. For a little brat with a small ability to grasp basic facts you sure know a lot about me. You nailed me. Guilty as charged! <<And I know you think because you have been on the forums the longest, you have the right to tell everyone who came in after you what is right and wrong.>> Kid, I haven't nearly been on here the longest. But I do have the right to tell people what I know is right and what is wrong. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit with your drooling fanboy idea of what this place should be, but there are actual intelligent, articulate, adult discussions about Disney. You don't seem capable of taking part in one. You want Disney to keep building theme parks in Central Florida, regardless of whether they further diminish the Disney name. You must get bored awfully quickly if you feel Disney needs some new parks because I've been visiting since 1974 and I am not bored yet. Not even close. Maybe you just need an adult attention span. <<This is not the case, you are not what these forums are about, its people like you who are turning them into anti-disney websites with all your complaining about the parks and upkeep and telling people everything that is wrong with disney and weighing them against what is right.>> Really?! Kid, you don't get to determine what gets discussed. If you can't handle real discussions and people who will disagree with you when you throw out absurd ideas with nothing to back them up then perhaps this isn't the place for you? <<There are other sites for that, maybe you should visit them.>> maybe you shouldn't come into someone's family room and tell them to leave. It's rude and it isn't the way to make friends and impress strangers. <<I said thii in another post and I will say it again to get my point across. Disney is for the little kids and the young at heart, it about is about the look on a little kids face when they meet mickey for the first time or see the castle. Those are the real fans, not the people like you who think disney should cater to the older people just because they have spent so much time and money coming to the parks.>> So you're saying Disney should ignore its loyal guests, right? The DVCers, the APers, the Fla. residents? The people who keep the place running in poor economic times. <<I hate to break it to you, but Disney caters to the family of four who spends an average of $5,000 on their one week vacation, who go to the quick service locations and spend $30 on a t-shirt. Thats what you learn in their orientations. look it up. So, I don't think disney is spending all their time and money to amuse the annual pass holder who comes all the time just so they can complain about disrepair and prices and run home as fast as they can to post it on the internet. So spirit, let it go. Stop harrasing younger disney fans who want to see more parks, and STOP complaining about everything, if you have so many problems with how disney operates, Don't go, Universal is down the block.>> Have a magical night, kid!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<But half of western Europe has been crossing the Atlantic and those South Am. Sao Paulo crowds and the like have been coming up to Orlando too; these cats have been known to take long US tours, longer than 7 days. Throw in some African travelers coupled with the Aussie connection and you got yourself a pretty strong foreign WDW tourist demographic-- a troop that can not only fill in for the missing domestic park goers but stuff their suitcases with cheap souvenirs to show their envious friends, family and neighbors back home.>> Yep. For the last 18 months, WDW has made huge profits due to those folks coming over, no doubt. But what about from 2001-05? You don't say 'Let's spend a few billion dollars just to build a new park because the dollar is at an all-time low.' No offense, but so much of the thinking here is so simplistic and short term ... Another park in Florida would be damn near suicide for Disney right now. Oh, and if you hadn't have noticed, there are four parks that each have their own needs and challenges now. I guess you'd prefer they rot so you can visit yet another 1/2 day Disney park? I don't understand the logic (and I use that term very, very loosely)!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<WOW...runs downstairs to pop some real popcorn. I'll be back waiting in a minute for that grumpy old Spirits reply. Don't start without me!>> Too late! And I am really in a grumpy mood as I just canceled my WDW trip that I was leaving for in the morning. So, I really am in no mood for some brat to try and tell me how things really are.
Originally Posted By Brian Noble >>>But half of western Europe has been crossing the Atlantic<<< I'm sorry, but this isn't even close to correct. According to the US Dept. of Commerce, in 2006: * Total international visitors: 51.1M * Excluding Canada/Mexico: 21.7M---NO growth compared to 2006. * Western Europe visitation was actually DOWN 2% in 2006 vs. 2005, at 9.7M. * Perhaps unsurprisingly, nearly EVERY Western European country's peak visitation year was prior to 2001. The exceptions are Spain and Ireland. <a href="http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/view/a-2006-400/index.html" target="_blank">http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/view/ a-2006-400/index.html</a> Now, that includes folks going to New York or San Francisco. Seeing the Grand Canyon or Rocky Mountains. Without SUBSTANTIAL growth in this market, you simply can't bet another gate on it. Granted, 2007 should be better because the dollar has just been pitiful, but still. There is a ways to go before WDW can market primarily to the international community, or invest hundreds of millions to billions of dollars in a new theme park just for that segment.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 Spirit, I sense much anger in you. I understand there is a certain feeling you get when you go to any of the disney parks, trust me I get that same feeling too, thats why I am at WDW every week. Now if you think calling me names gets your point across about your loyalty to disney, by all means, I give you a list of the names kids used to call me in high school. But I don't think it does. Disney is going to do whatever they are going to do; build twenty more theme parks, close tomorrow, declare bankruptcy, buy-out universal, ect. And it has nothing to do with you. Just let them be, its a theme park!!!! I am very capable of having an adult conversation, so lets not forget you are the one who started attacking me in the beginning of this forum. Unless you have a disney nametag, don't claim to know something. And trust me, I am a lot closer to the company than you think. And I don't think it is right that you keep bringing in the fact that you speak to managers and imagineers and thats how you get your info, thats unprofessional. You keep blaming chipped paint and poor maintnence on what you think are decaying theme parks, I think it is guests like you that bring the parks down. And if you think disney is more concerned with locals and ap holders rather than the family of five who only comes once a year and is going spend as much money as 50 ap members, you are still living in neverland. P.S. so sorry you are not gracing WDW with a visit this week, so you can run back to your computer and whine about everything the castmembers and imagineers are doing wrong. Did I mention Universal is down the block, there are a thousand issues there you could complain about Jon (a real-life disney fan)
Originally Posted By barboy "Oh, and if you hadn't have noticed, there are four parks that each have their own needs and challenges now. I guess you'd prefer they rot so you can visit yet another 1/2 day Disney park?" You must have gotten up on the wrong side of the other plane/afterlife this morning. My dear Spiritual advisor, please check out my #225 and 226. (hey there big guy--- remember I'm on your side)
Originally Posted By barboy "Western Europe visitation was actually DOWN 2% in 2006 vs. 2005, at 9.7M." So what.... does it matter whether it's down even 5% or up 3%--- there are still hordes of western Europeans as well as others from around the globe hitting the skies for an Orlando vacation. I just question this lack of vacation business dooming a 5th. "Build it(beautifully) and they will come" But again, I am not necessarily in favor of a new gate..... fix and maintain the exiting parks then get out the blueprints/bulldozers/hammer+nails
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Yes it's true. Restaurants and shops. The last time I was in World Showcase at EPCOT I got the impression that I was in a highly themed shopping mall with no real attractions to speak of. Yes,the Norway ride was put in, what, some 20 years ago? << land fan I think you are truly missing the essence of what the World Showcase is about. It's about world culture, and architecture. It's filled with CM's from around the world so you can interact with them. It's not meant for adrenalin junkies. It's meant to step back and enjoy the beauty all around you. Expand your horizons, and learn a little more about the whole world that we live in. Most people will not get to see these other cultures for themselves. This is just a small glimpse at the rest of the world. Stop, take a look at all the beautiful flowers, and trees that are all around you. Look at each pavilion, it has a unique design based on that countries architecture. There are marvelous displays at each country, and street entertainment all over. Sometimes a theme park can truly be a celebration of life. That's what Epcot is meant to be. >> Now if you think calling me names gets your point across about your loyalty to disney, by all means, I give you a list of the names kids used to call me in high school. << I would like that list for future reference! >> Unless you have a disney nametag, don't claim to know something. << There are people in this forum that do not work for Disney, and I would venture to say have forgotten more about Disney than you will ever learn. Spirit is just one of many of them. >> And trust me, I am a lot closer to the company than you think. << If you were close to the company I would at least think you would know about what the C.E.O. of Disney had to say about a 5th gate at WDW. I suggest you go Goole up the answer to that. >> Did I mention Universal is down the block, there are a thousand issues there you could complain about << Gosh even I get tired of new folks using that phrase. Spirit has contributed a wealth of knowledge about Disney here in this forum. I suggest you practice your debating style before you either try to debate with him or match you Disney knowledge with him. You will find most people here are more than willing to debate you on your knowledge of Disney, and what you think is best for Disney. The trouble is unless you use logic you will end up looking very foolish. Just some words for you to ponder before the next time your enthusiasm overrides your wisdom.
Originally Posted By land fan Yes, World Showcase has beauty, pretty flowers, attention to details, etc, just dont forget your wallet!
Originally Posted By barboy "Spirit, I sense much anger in you." Careful! He just might be heading towards the dark side of the force. But you know something jonny our spiritual advisor here knows where he speaks as proven by his track record. And it's vocal cats like Spirit that keep these "execs" and decision makers in check. We need more folk like him and less sheep I mean "defenders of mediocrity" I mean happygoluckies so our parks stay pristine and crisp.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 MPierce strikes again. Thank you for your comments on World Showcase in #237. Perfect. Why do so many people think life has to be one thrill after another? They totally miss what's going on around them.
