Originally Posted By basil fan Although I understand exactly what you mean, I can't recall ever seeing Chicken Little protrayed as a girl in any version. I've never, ever thought of...it...as a female character in my life. If it's a chick, it can be either male or female; only at maturity is it apparent which chickens are hens & which are roosters (take it from someone who lives about 100 yards from a chicken coop). And what's the time frame for the original? Does it have one? I've only ever seen a generic barnyard that could be anywhen from 1607 to 2319. The characters in the original story are mostly throwaways anyway: Ducky Lucky, Goosey Loosey, Henny Penny, what's the difference? They have no personalities, no individual story function...In fact, calling this a fairy tale seems to be kind of a stretch. It's more of a nursery rhyme. And not a very intersting one at that. I think the concept of the CGI Chicken Little is brilliant: the sky *is* falling, but it's an alien spaceship. For Disney Girls Only <a href="http://www.whatistsgalore.com/disney/girls.html" target="_blank">http://www.whatistsgalore.com/ disney/girls.html</a>
Originally Posted By basil fan Thanks, DlandDoug, for setting the world straight about this Kimba stuff. The people who promote these theories are experts at twisting the details to make the similarities seem more similar. I read one about Atlantis as a rip-off of some anime cartoon, and one of the points was that the Disney Atlanteans have white hair and the anime Atlanteans have black hair. This was a proof that Disney stole the concept. For Disney Girls Only <a href="http://www.whatistsgalore.com/disney/girls.html" target="_blank">http://www.whatistsgalore.com/ disney/girls.html</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Thanks, DlandDoug, for setting the world straight about this Kimba stuff. The people who promote these theories are experts at twisting the details to make the similarities seem more similar.<< Well, leaving aside the fact that DlandDug could be accused of the same, but in the opposite direction, I don't know that there are too many *sensible* animation fans who really believe that The Lion King was based on/inspired by/ripped off of Kimba. The beef is over Disney's subsequent public statements, declaring that NO ONE at the studio had ever HEARD of Kimba. Which was patently absurd, insulting to "the father of anime" and his millions of fans in Japan, and vehemently denied by a good many animators who worked on Lion King. I've heard first-hand accounts (yep, that means straight from actual crew members, including Roger Allers) of a copy of Tezuka's manga being passed around the animation department during production. It was late in the process, well after it could have influenced the movie's content in a significant way, but they certainly all knew about it by the time it hit the theaters. But no, Lion King was not based on Kimba, and they didn't consider it similar enough to make any changes once Kimba became common knowledge around the studio. And I guess that sums up my feelings about . . . uh . . . what was this topic supposed to be about again? The Frog what?
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Nursey Rhyme? I'd say THAT's more of a stretch. Nursery Rhymes are little poems that tell very short stories. Chicken Little is most definitely a fairy tale and not a nursery rhyme. And it's a lot more interesting--to some of us--than the monstrosity of a movie that stole it's title, along with the names of certain characters, while also moving the whole thing into the 21st Century. ORDDU: Since the original tale was written many, many years ago, you can rest assured that it was not a modern, contemporary setting that served as a backdrop for the story. Certainly there were none of those space alien creatures in the original. ORWEN: And, speaking of originals, there are ways to bring characters to life without having to destroy them. The original seven dwarves weren't so clearly identifiable until Uncle Walt got hold of them and gave them names that made them so memorable. That's one GOOD thing that Disney animators used to do with lackluster characters from the original stories. ORDDU: Walt had the uncanny ability to enhance the original stories without taking them too far afield from the original realms they came from. Whatever changes he did make were always for the better. Others have attempted their own version of this mighty feat--without the same consistant sucess the Master had. And sometimes it seems that Musker and Clements--along with certain others--go out of their way to change a story so much, ripping the heart and sentiment out in such a way that it makes a coven of witches wonder why they don't just come up with their own original stories to animate, to begin with. ORWEN: Stealing the titles from someone else's story and slapping them on original movie scripts is what bothers us the most. To do such a thing is misleading. We could probably accept these more recent movies a lot easier if they didn't pretend to be something they're not.
Originally Posted By u k fan I think I'd catergorize Chicken Little (or Chicken Licken as I remember my book calling it) as neither a Fairy Tale or Nursery Rhyme, but as a Fable particularly because of the moral involved in the ending. And I don't really think that the argument about it being written long ago really holds. When Hans Christian Anderson wrote The Little Mermaid I'm guessing he'd never heard calypso music. I don't see people up in arms about Sebastian singing "Under The Sea"!!!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Actually, u K fan duckling, us Cauldron girls DID think the calypso beat was inappropriate for the time period of LITTLE MERMAID. ORDDU: And I just HATED to hear Ariel refer to her father as 'Daddy'. That wasn't time appropriate, either. So, you're hearing somebody complain about it, now. ORWEN: Disney seems to be so afraid to make a period piece that's faithful to its Time Period these days. At least BEAUTY & THE BEAST was faithful to its period. ORDDU: And you're correct about CHICKEN LITTLE being a fable. We knew there was a better term out there to describe it but couldn't think of it until you pointed it out.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Now I don't feel like such a curmudgeon for deploring the way Aladdin looked and sounded like a California surfer dude...
Originally Posted By basil fan But Aladdin wasn't blond... Tarzan's Dictionary <a href="http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/etc/tarmangani.html" target="_blank">http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/ etc/tarmangani.html</a>
Originally Posted By Kansasteen the Lion King was pretty heavily based on Hamlet, the father dying, coming back, Uncle killing him, Son killing Uncle, It's pretty obvious, and they went even futher with Lion King 1 and 1/2, which is a clever equivalent to Hamlet being told from the viewpoint of his two friends(it was written as a play sometime ago)
