Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Instead they want to be able to "spy" on anyone at their whim.> Only those making or receiving international phone calls from suspected terrorists.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>This Administration seems to be more concerned with telephone calls then they are with that is coming accross ALL our borders. Pardon me, but I think they have the priorities reversed.<< Ah, but would get in the way of the flow of cheap labor. And we can't have that, right?
Originally Posted By cmpaley >><Instead they want to be able to "spy" on anyone at their whim.> Only those making or receiving international phone calls from suspected terrorists<< Or political enemies...
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Only those making or receiving international phone calls from suspected terrorists." He said, naively.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom The point is..... that the Patriot Act is unnecessary IF this Administration was willing to get the proper Search Warrants which they continually refuse to do. Somehow this Administration believes the Patriot Act is going to save this country. If the Patriot Act is so good then why did we have 12 Egyptains roaming free throughout eastern USA.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Only those making or receiving international phone calls from suspected terrorists. << How do you know? Short answer: you don't - and neither does anyone else, because they're acting without any oversight, and expecting us to just "trust" them. But some people are happy to believe anything they're told.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Now explain to me again how monitering phone calls is going to save us?< was it not part of the busting of thislatest threat ? How much more proof does one need ? btw- I don;t disagree that the border is a Huge issue
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Ah, but would get in the way of the flow of cheap labor. And we can't have that, right?< as fast as we are off shoring jobs to Brazil / Thailand and India -- there will be little for them here soon
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> was it not part of the busting of this latest threat? << Was it? I still haven't seen any credible reports stating that unauthorized wire taps led to the breaking up of the british plot.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <How do you know?> Because that is what was leaked. If it was worse than that, whoever leaked would have told more. <Short answer: you don't - and neither does anyone else, because they're acting without any oversight, and expecting us to just "trust" them.> If I don't, you don't either. But the proponderance of evidence is with me.
Originally Posted By gadzuux The "preponderance of evidence"? You're kidding, right? There is no evidence. So why do you suppose they have refused to seek warrants from the FISA court? What could their motive possibly be - even the "best case" scenario?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Better yet - for those who 'know' the government is up to no good, what do you think they are spying on that has you so worried ?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Better yet - for those who 'know' the government is up to no good, what do you think they are spying on that has you so worried ?" Well, I work for the government, albeit a county one. My wife works for fairly large city. Since we're personally privy to some of the things that occur on our levels that are "expected" or condoned in some fashion, I can only imagine what goes on at the highest levels.
Originally Posted By Mr X Seems to me that they "busted open" this case because a muslim person alerted the police about suspicious activity. In other words, pure luck. Lets all give up our liberties in pursuit of fear, though. THAT'LL work out perfectly!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder And while we're at it, take a mental stroll down previous presidential lanes. As time goes on, revelations have been made, events exposed, etc., Watergate being the one that always comes to mind, how did Vince Foster really die, et al.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.presstelegram.com/opinions/ci_4174935" target="_blank">http://www.presstelegram.com/o pinions/ci_4174935</a> Related opinion piece.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <"Better yet - for those who 'know' the government is up to no good, what do you think they are spying on that has you so worried ?" Well, I work for the government, albeit a county one. My wife works for fairly large city. Since we're personally privy to some of the things that occur on our levels that are "expected" or condoned in some fashion, I can only imagine what goes on at the highest levels. < again just speculation - I want to know what everyone is so spooked by other than heresay. <Lets all give up our liberties in pursuit of fear, though. THAT'LL work out perfectly< again you're giving up what ? The alarm over this is amazing but the facts are non existent. <And while we're at it, take a mental stroll down previous presidential lanes. As time goes on, revelations have been made, events exposed, etc., Watergate being the one that always comes to mind, how did Vince Foster really die, et al.< gee let's throw Ron Brown inthere also- and what really happened to his plane --but tellme how this all relates to listening in on potential terrorist calls ? And by the way all this kind of stuff listed here existed forever...so where is the link to the here and now ? And not letting them listen to these calls stops this ? How ?
Originally Posted By woody >>Somehow this Administration believes the Patriot Act is going to save this country. If the Patriot Act is so good then why did we have 12 Egyptains roaming free throughout eastern USA.<< So did Congress. Is this Administration working alone? You give a good reason to put Egyptians in detention camps or deport them based on profiling, but you're really not saying this, correct? >>How do you know? Short answer: you don't - and neither does anyone else, because they're acting without any oversight, and expecting us to just "trust" them. << Exactly, who are you supposed to trust? Liberals seem to trust the government when government bureaucrats and Democrats are in charge, yet they don't trust Republicans. And it seem like oversight by the Democrats is non-existent especially when you look at all the Federal programs that are never shut down. Okay, what should be done? Profiling! Yes!!! Deportation! Yes!!! Surveillance! Yes!!!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "again just speculation - I want to know what everyone is so spooked by other than heresay." I could cite you chapter and verse on what goes on at the levels I work at but I'd like to stay employed. To think that "things" don't go on at other levels is incredibly naive.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "So did Congress. Is this Administration working alone?" Stupid question. Republican Congress, Republican President. Yes, all alone.
