Originally Posted By u k fan If you mean the area directly outside Star Tours then that was indeed queue space in the early days. In 1992 before extra capacity was added I queued there myself!!!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Yikes! That seems like it would have been a pretty miserable experience to wait that long. It makes sense that they now use it for a waiting area for the Videopolis shows. When I was there, I'm pretty sure they had the queue fully set up, even though the parks were really empty both days. It seemed like nearly every attraction had the extended queue set up, with the ropes and stanchions, but they just directed guests to the normal entrance. Is it typical for DLP to have such long queues in place and not use them? I guess if the space isn't being used anyway it doesn't do any harm, but it just seemed odd in some places (like next to Star Tours and in front of POTC)
Originally Posted By dagobert >>> Is it typical for DLP to have such long queues in place and not use them? I guess if the space isn't being used anyway it doesn't do any harm, but it just seemed odd in some places (like next to Star Tours and in front of POTC)<<< I've only been to WDW and DLP, but I had the impression that DLP hassuch long queues in place, although they are hardly used. I guess they expected more guests when they planned the resort. WDI calculated with WDW numbers and that's why DLP had more opening day attractions than any other Disney park.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Yikes! That seems like it would have been a pretty miserable experience to wait that long>> The initial park was designed with a 16m target annual capacity which is why it has the longest queue lines for all of the major attractions (except Peter Pan for some reason).
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>The initial park was designed with a 16m target annual capacity which is why it has the longest queue lines for all of the major attractions (except Peter Pan for some reason).<<< 20 years later they finally made it, but now they have one and a half park.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I guess it makes sense that they were originally anticipating large crowds, but wouldn't it have made more sense to build some more attractions for opening day? Then maybe they would have gotten closer to their attendance goal. I know hindsight is 20-20, but it just seems so obvious that the best way to get a lot of people in your park is to give them a lot of things to do, not give them bigger areas to wait in (and yes, I realize that DLP had more opening day attractions than any park since Epcot, but still...) I just think it was strange that they had the full queues set up during a couple very not-busy weekdays in early May. Surely after 20 years in operation, they could have anticipated that every ride would be a walk-on. Or do they just always leave the extended queues set up throughout the park?
Originally Posted By u k fan From memory I'd say the extended queues are pretty much always ready to go (just in case)!!!
Originally Posted By u k fan Lee OT - do you have any sway with the people working The Muppets... Again? I thought it might be fun to be an extra in the movie as they're filming just down the road, but the agency that they are using still haven't approved my account and I've been waiting over a month!!!!
Originally Posted By dagobert DLP fansites are reporting that some bigger investments are coming to the resort in the next couple years. Here's the original article: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.independentguidebooks.com/blog/2014/4/20/disneyland-paris-rumour-incredibly-detailed-10-year-roadmap-from-2014">http://www.independentguideboo...rom-2014</a> And here are some comments from Disney & More: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2014/04/dlp-fans-report-unveil-in-details-plans.html">http://disneyandmore.blogspot....ans.html</a> Honestly I don't believe anything that is mentioned in that article. DLP is still in the reds and I can't see TWDC financing such a huge investment with Shanghai being built right now. So I guess this is nothing more than some fan dreams.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I agree that I really don't believe much of what they said. It sounds more like a fan wishlist than any sort of actual plan to move forward. The only thing that sounds plausible at this point is an expansion of the springtime event, though likely not to the level that was described Then again, nobody believed the DCA makeover plans when they were first announced, so maybe it's something like that. But I doubt it
Originally Posted By dagobert DLP CEO Philippe Gas said, that a new Disney hotel is planned. So that would be true. And with the financial restructuring, DLP has around 400 Mio Euros (around 500 Mio Dollars) to spend. I guess a part will be used for the new hotel. In an interview with a French newspaper Gas said, that a new ride is coming to TSPL. So TSMM might be true as well. However as long as there is no construction going on, I highly doubt all the plans.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros How much of the Villages Nature project is being funded by Disney? Could that be part of the 400 million total?
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>How much of the Villages Nature project is being funded by Disney? Could that be part of the 400 million total?<<< I would say it's 50:50 % Disney and Pierre & Vacances. I don't think that the 400 Mio Euros are used for VN, because that project was announced long before TWDC took over DLP's debt.
Originally Posted By u k fan I'm also not convinced by a lot of this. I don't like the idea of turning the backlog into what will essentially be a Marvel land. I'm not against the idea of Marvel having its own area, but WDSP needs new things not old ones repurposed and the studios theme gets weaker and weaker with every new addition. Soon it'll be called "The Stuff Disney Owns Park"!!!
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>I don't like the idea of turning the backlog into what will essentially be a Marvel land. I'm not against the idea of Marvel having its own area, but WDSP needs new things not old ones repurposed and the studios theme gets weaker and weaker with every new addition. Soon it'll be called "The Stuff Disney Owns Park"!!!<<< In my opinion the Working Studios theme doesn't really work. Disney should go the same way like Universal. The Studios Park should be more like riding the movies and not about a working facility. The Studios Park should be divided into Lucasfilm, Marvel, Pixar, Disney and Old Hollywood. Star Tours and Buzz should be moved into WDSP and Discoveryland should only be about European visionaires like intended. I know, it's just wishful thinking.
Originally Posted By u k fan I don't think that would ever happen as there are too many elements in place that don't fit like the Flying Carpets and Playhouse Disney. I'd rather they add a new Marvel land and keep the Backlot with a wider theme of action movies and effects in general as it gives more scope for the future. I agree the idea of a working studio was not great and they shoehorned in some TV production just so they could make that claim, but I have no problem with it being a fictional studio a la Toon Studios. A few prop cameras and lights are all that would be required to cast the illusion that we are extras in a production of Toy Story or Ratatouille. Regarding Discoveryland, Star Tours and Capt. Eo were there from day one so the theme of European visionaries was never all encompassing. They were hidden away at the edge of the land though so not quite as obtrusive. TSMM seems like a good fit thematically for TSPL so I don't see Buzz going anywhere soon!!!
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>Regarding Discoveryland, Star Tours and Capt. Eo were there from day one so the theme of European visionaries was never all encompassing. They were hidden away at the edge of the land though so not quite as obtrusive. TSMM seems like a good fit thematically for TSPL so I don't see Buzz going anywhere soon!!!<<< I don't see that happening either. But I don't like Pixar in Discoveryland. Captain EO and ST fitted the theme, because according to Tim Delaney, Discoveryland was a collection of the futures as seen by Lucas, Verne and Wells. >>>I don't think that would ever happen as there are too many elements in place that don't fit like the Flying Carpets and Playhouse Disney.<<< What do you mena with that? WDSP dividing into LF, Marvel and so on? Flyinf Carpets can be rethemed to somethin Pixar related. It would also be possible to create a combined Disney and Pixar Animation area. Toon Studio is basically nothing else.
Originally Posted By u k fan What I mean is that if you split WDSP into sections as you say, Pixar, Marvel, etc. you'd end up with existing attractions that don't fit. Playhouse Disney and Stitch would end up in "Old Hollywood", which would be odd. You could leave Toon Studios as is, but if it were to become purely Pixar Animagique and the Animation Tour would have to become "Old Hollywood" which is a stretch. I think you'd have to call the area from Animagique to Stitch something like Production Central, but then would that include Studio 1 which works best as "Old Hollywood" along with TOT and the new place making. What happens to The Tram Tour which works best with "Production Central"? It's such a mish-mash around there that I think general themes work best for anything in place already and really I believe that to be true for anything new as well. Islands of Adventure is a great park, but if they decide they want an attraction based on something new they either have to build a new land, repurpose an old one or give it up to the park next door. Universal Studios with it's more general areas can put anything just about anywhere. I don't buy the cop out of Star Tours being a vision of the future. After all, "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away..." I'll give Capt. EO a pass, but Star Wars is as much space fantasy as Buzz Lightyear of Star Command. Autopia's also on shaky ground on that score, but I guess at some point it was someone's vision of the future. I think Discoveryland is amazing and I applaud what they did with it, but keeping the land solely about discovery the visions of the future from the past was undermined right from the get go!!!
