Originally Posted By DAR USA Today has an article how the movie upsetting Christians and Atheists alike. Christians because of the elements the books contain so surely the movies will have it. And the Atheists are mad because those elements that made the books controversial have been either removed or softened. <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-11-28-compass-controversy_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/life/m ovies/news/2007-11-28-compass-controversy_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip</a> Of course neither group has seen the film.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Of course neither group has seen the film.<< LOL! Ain't that always the way...
Originally Posted By DAR And in the middle will be everyone else who may or may not see the movie based on what they read from reviews and word of mouth. Still I have to ask there's been same fuss over the whole Harry Potter franchise from evangelicals. But something tells me it's success is not only because of a bunch of devil worshiping witches.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Well we allow our children to watch Harry Potter, and read Harry Potter. They love it. My kids' school on the other hand, very openly opposes Harry Potter, in writing, many times over. We had a "seasonal party" where the kids were allowed to dress up as their favorite character, hero, whatever. The information that came home specifically stated that Harry Potter and characters were not allowed. The Harry Potter books are not in the library there. But hoenstly, they have to do that, it's expected. I am glad the school takes a stand and is open about what it believes children should and should not be opposed to. Anyone remember several years ago now, the Southern Baptist Convention asked the members of the church to boycott Disney? I think it was something to do with gays being considered denpendants and qualifying for health insurance...I really don't remember exactly what it was over. But anyway, it was stupid. I still attended a Southern Baptist Church through all of that, I don't now but for other reasons. Personally I don't have a problem with gay people being gay, and it's a good thing becuase if I did, they would still be gay, and it would be ME that has the problem. But anyway, as far as I know, NO ONE boycotted Disney. No one cared. I think it was even around the time we joined the DVC! So you know, the church does things as an institution. The institution of the church isn't perfect, there is no one perfect and true church...that's right, not even the LDS. But in the end, we all must judge what is right or wrong for our own family, and our own kids. When you start allowing yourself to be told what to believe, that's when you get into the dangerous area. "Well I'm a member of that church, and they say I should divource my husband becuase he won't go to church, and that I should find a man that's involved in church, and so I guess I will do that, eventhough he's a good man to me and the kids and I love him....blah blah blah..." We can be members of said institution, but we have to still always think for ourselves. If we think said institution needs to change, we do so either from within, or we leave, and find some place that is more fitting. So yeah, there are a whole lotta' really good Christian people out there who have no problem with Harry Potter. But if pressed, I don't know many Christian Churches as a whole, that would say Harry Potter is ok.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>My kids' school on the other hand, very openly opposes Harry Potter, in writing, many times over. << This is always bizarre to me. The characters in the book express all the best aspects of humanity, and they actively fight against evil incarnate. They also have to fight against mortal frailties like ego, pride, envy, etc. They even celebrate Christmas.
Originally Posted By DAR 2ooney if you want to hear why evangelicals are vehemently against Harry Potter, here is their very wrong and very flawed argument. This article came out the same time Rowling said Dumbledore was gay. So you can imagine where this is going. <a href="http://www.movieguide.org/index.php?s=articles&id=227" target="_blank">http://www.movieguide.org/inde x.php?s=articles&id=227</a>
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Rowling also probably is not tolerant of those of us who condemn homosexual behavior and who want society to consider it a sin and regard it as a mental disorder dangerous to children that requires removal from the public square, if not institutionalization.<< Aye carumba.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Notice the language: she's "not tolerant." I have seen this tactic before - people with bigoted views who insist that those who disagree with them are the actual bigots. It's an attempt to turn language on its head, or at the very least, neutralize it to try to say "well, we're no more or less bigoted than they are." Of course, it would be like trying to claim that those who opposed Jim Crow were "not tolerant" of those who considered that their heritage, and thus were the real bigots.
Originally Posted By debtee Nicole Kidman is in the movie and she is a Catholic and believes in God. I wonder if she feels it's just a movie and nothing for these people to get all upset up about, especially when it's not been released yet!
Originally Posted By sherrytodd From Entertainment Weekly... ''It follows the novel as closely as it can,'' promises Daniel Craig, who grew an un-Bondlike beard to play Lord Asriel, Lyra's explorer uncle, ''but there's still a lot missing. That's always the case when you adapt a book into a movie. You have to focus more on the storytelling.'' Conspicuously absent, for instance, is any reference to Catholicism; instead, the malevolent organization that snatches children to surgically remove their souls is referred to in the movie only as the Magisterium. ''It has been watered down a little,'' admits Nicole Kidman, who stars as the icily evil Mrs. Coulter. Not that she's complaining. Quite the contrary. ''I was raised Catholic,'' she says. ''The Catholic Church is part of my essence. I wouldn't be able to do this film if I thought it were at all anti-Catholic.'' She wouldn't be able to do any possible sequels, either, but Kidman and Craig have both signed on for two." <a href="http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0" target="_blank">http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0</a>,,20051361_20051365_20052086,00.html
Originally Posted By vbdad55 A whole lot about nothing again.....unless the movie comes out and specifically says, the kids killed God -- I am not sure why all the hub bub. I heard all the rantings of those anti Christians when Narnia was coming out- and quite frankly it almost ruined the movie for me as I then was 'watching' for hidden messages - signs etc. Now the Christians are doing the same to this movie.... and the easiest way to show positive or negative response to the movie makers - either go or don't go. If a parents believes it is inappropriate for their kids - I respect them as the ultimate arbiter in that decision. If they choose to take them - same feeling. I don't believe anyone walked out of Narina LW&W reborn or converted.... I was a good adventure movie --am I denying there may be religious overtones, of course not. But it was not King of Kings either. Most movies have some sort of reflection of beliefs the writers/producers have, are we going to over analyze everything ? Harry Potter, good, fun movies and books. Are people converting from Cathloicism to sorcery because of the movies - no. It looks mildly interesting to me..sort of a genre piece to capitalize on HP, lotr - etc. I am not a Nicole Kidman fan ( she gives me the creeps ) - so likely will not see it - but not sure yet.
Originally Posted By twirlnhurl ^The kids don't kill God until the third book. I was a big fan of the second and third books, the first was just ok. I do hope it makes enough money so that the sequels are made, though. I will probably see it opening night, because nothing makes me feel better then going to see a movie that small minded people are foolish enough to think that standing out in the cold in front of the theater will somehow stop people from seeing a movie.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Oh, well. The controversy almost guarantees a terrific box office for this movie>> This is kind of being marketed as a kids movie. If a large number of parents don't take their kids, it could be a box office flop. Time will tell.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<but since this ticks off the religious right, that just about guarantees I'll go see it>> So by extension if a movie ticks you off then I should see it for other reason, regardless if sucks or not?
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<And wasn't Lewis trying to foster a Christian viewpoint with the Narnia books?>> And believe it or not Tolkien was doing the same with LOTR. In his own words, "LOTR is a very Catholic book".
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Conspicuously absent, for instance, is any reference to Catholicism; instead, the malevolent organization that snatches children to surgically remove their souls is referred to in the movie only as the Magisterium>> From Wikipedia: "Magisterium (from the Latin magister, "teacher") is a technical ecclesiastical term in Roman Catholic Church referring to the teaching authority of the church." The story is still slamming the RC, just in an underhanded way.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Are people converting from Cathloicism to sorcery because of the movies - no. " I did!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Is Nicole Kidman nakey in the movie? Seeing Nicole Kidman nakey would definitely be a religious experience.
