Originally Posted By plpeters70 Just a point of clarification: The term Magisterium is actually the name used throughout the book series to represent the "evil" religious/government organization. The Catholic Church is never actually mentioned from what I can remember - we are just meant to infer that the Magisterium is an organization like our own Catholic Church - though it seems to be quite a bit more powerful than the actual Church. While Philip Pullman has made his disdain for the Catholic Church, and religion in general, known, the connection to the real Church is never made in the book series.
Originally Posted By fkurucz The Magisterium is part of the Catholic Church. It would be like writing a book that slams the US, then changing it to "The White House". You are still referring to the US. It will be interesting to see how the members of the "Magisterium" are portrayed. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they dress like Priests and Bishops.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Oh I agree with you - I was just pointing out that the words "Catholic Church" were never actually used in the novels specifically. But, I'm sure the intention was for the reader to infer it.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>Is Nicole Kidman nakey in the movie? Seeing Nicole Kidman nakey would definitely be a religious experience.<< Gee whiz, Trippy...didn't you see "Eyes Wide Shut" or "Cold Mountain?"
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>So by extension if a movie ticks you off then I should see it for other reason, regardless if sucks or not?<< I don't give a rat's patootie what you do. I was speaking for myself, and myself only.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<And believe it or not Tolkien was doing the same with LOTR. In his own words, "LOTR is a very Catholic book".>> Here is the reference. Its from "Tolkien - A Celebration" By Joseph Pierce. Pg 65: In a letter to a Fr. Murray SJ, Tolkien wrote: "Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work"
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<While Philip Pullman has made his disdain for the Catholic Church, and religion in general, known, the connection to the real Church is never made in the book series.>> I find Mr Pullman's work to be curious. On one hand he is a self professed atheist. Yet his best know literary work is not built on the premise that God does not exist, but rather that He does exist, but is a fraud in that He is supposed to be evil. This leads me to wonder just what Mr. Pullman really believes. I can only conclude that he does believe that God exists, but hates Him. Whether he really believes that He is evil, or is slandering (or should I say libel since his accusation is in print?) Him I do not know.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Gee whiz, Trippy...didn't you see "Eyes Wide Shut" >> I saw "Eyes Wide Shut". Seeing something you like makes you want to see more.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder ">>So by extension if a movie ticks you off then I should see it for other reason, regardless if sucks or not?<< I don't give a rat's patootie what you do. I was speaking for myself, and myself only. ^^It still seems irrational." When a group such as the religious right goes on a crusade to ban everything you are about in life, calls you sinful, doomed to hell, genetically deficient, harmful to children, and essentially states you shouldn't even exist, see if feeling that way doesn't seem completely rational after all.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>And believe it or not Tolkien was doing the same with LOTR. In his own words, "LOTR is a very Catholic book".<< Gee, I guess I better go burn all of my LOTR books and DVDs, then. >>It still seems irrational.<< Perhaps. SPP said it best for me. I have a rather jaundiced view of organized religion and I will not apologize for it. I feel it's responsible for so much pain in the world today, on a grand scale as well as at the personal level. I'm not an atheist, I'm not an agnostic...I don't know what I am, really. I think a personal, spiritual relationship with a higher power is a great thing, in and of itself. But I am sick of the religious right in this country, and I'm no longer complacent about it. I'm fed up, and I've had enough.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I'm not an atheist, I'm not an agnostic...I don't know what I am, really.>> Be loud and proud... you're a MINNESOTAN!!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip You just gotta love those Sunday "run for the border" trips. You pull into the parking lot of the first liquor store you come to in Hudson WI and at least 75% of the cars have Minnesota plates. LOL
Originally Posted By DAR I remember visiting friends up at Minnesota during college and we'd head over to Hudson for a little bit.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF I'm about 16 mi. from the Wisconsin border. My hubby and I go to Hudson every so often for lunch or dinner. Nice place.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Well, they have convinced me... to go out and buy the books.<< LOL! That's exactly what I thought. If the Christian right hates them, then they've gotta be good
