Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Try to not take stuff to heart remember where this is taking place,on a Disney web site.<< In this section we discuss real world topics. I really don't need a little mini-lecture from you telling me that I am the one with my perspective skewed, thank-you-very-much.
Originally Posted By hopemax Anyone else finding it amusing that this newish poster thinks that 2oony needs to find a sense of humor? I'm thinking Kar2oon Man's funny bone is very much in tune.
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Originally Posted By DAR <<And they get resentful when they're told that they're wrong.>> Let's be honest when your beliefs come into question you're not exactly willing to listen.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 I can't say b.s. ? To sum up my previous post. Don't hide behind "it's just a joke" If it's a racist joke it is still racist.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm attentive to any persuasive argument that uses facts, reason, science and/or evidence to support it. In this case, that isn't happening. Usually it's some variation of "muslims are our enemy and want to kill us". Or "it's disrespectful to the victims of 9/11". If someone wants to tell me I'm wrong, go right ahead. But explain why using facts and reason.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Sure they can put it up and those other groups should feel free to put something up right next to them.>> Of course!
Originally Posted By Labuda "Anyone else finding it amusing that this newish poster thinks that 2oony needs to find a sense of humor? I'm thinking Kar2oon Man's funny bone is very much in tune." Yeah, this newish poster has gotten under my skin quite a few times. And thanks to this thread, I now understand why. I know what kinds of people I respect and like, and what kinds I scorn. As far as 2oony and a sense of humor - Green Bean Casserole Snowman says it all. Conversely, other things that say it all IMO are "sunshine and rainbows now, we'll just worry about this after we're dead" and "get a life" and "don't take it to heart" <--- it REALLY kills me that someone is saying in WE to not take something to heart.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm all for applying a sharp elbow or two when necessary, but let's not chase newbies outta the room entirely. Give them a chance to catch the prevailing zeitgeist and see how it works out over time.
Originally Posted By 999HAUNTS I am not a regular WE poster, and I'm sure I'll be told to get the heck outta Dodge, but are most folks here assuming that all Muslims are terrorists? Is this why a Mosque is not a good idea at Ground Zero?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan It is ironic that many of those who yell loudest about "activist judges" and call for judges who are "strict Constitutionalists" seem to so quickly ignore two of our most cherished Constitutional freedoms -- religion and speech -- when it doesn't mesh with their own faith/worldview. It's worth repeating that this is not really a "Ground Zero mosque." It's also worth noting that Republican mayor of NYC Michael Bloomberg has made an eloquent case as to why this facility has every right to be constructed. As long as they have legally acquired the funding to build and maintain it, I don't see how, from a Constitutional perspective, anyone can say they should be forced to move farther away.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Exactly. The arguments against the mosque boil down to guilt by association.
Originally Posted By gadzuux The 'activist judges' crowd are now bellowing about how liberals are "inserting things into the constitution". How Orwellian. Nobody on the left is inserting anything into the constitution - we like it just the way it is, thank you very much. However, the conservatives who are bleating the loudest are the same people who favor "inserting" DOMA into the constitution, and now ripping out the 14th amendment - the crowning achievement of the GOP - so they can more effectively divide the country between "us and them". And the most egregious case of judicial activism came from the right - with Roberts and Scalia and Thomas and the Citizens United decision opening the floodgates of special interest money into the US political and election system. The pattern that emerges here is that they do whatever dastardly thing they want with their right hand, while with their left hand they point at the other side and accuse them of doing exactly what they've just done. Why does this even work?
Originally Posted By Mr X ***The pattern that emerges here is that they do whatever dastardly thing they want with their right hand, while with their left hand they point at the other side and accuse them of doing exactly what they've just done. Why does this even work?*** People generally like to engage in groupthink, are stupid, and believe whatever they're told if it sounds comfortable.
Originally Posted By Rsey103 Let's have freedom of religion and free speech. By the way, do you think two plane loads of jet fuel is enough to reduce two 110-story towers to powder? Did you see a photo of plane wreckage at the Pentagon?
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