Originally Posted By davewasbaloo With all due respect, although terrible, that was a while ago now, and there are more important issues to contend with. Their way of doing things in the Bush reich only added to the risk of threat and cost us a fortune, with little results.
Originally Posted By Mr X I agree. However, they will try and dredge it up any way they can that's for sure.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>The only reason that this is an issue is that there is an election in two months.<< And more importantly, another one in two years. This strategy of theirs is working frighteningly well. Come on pendulum - other way! Other way!
Originally Posted By mawnck Oh man this is embarrassing ... <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmyzRVI9PIM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...zRVI9PIM</a>
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan It is embarrassing that so many people seem so willing to throw out the bill of rights in order to promote "safety." Mayor Bloomberg has been a true leader during this whole thing, reminding people what this country's principles really mean. >>Come on pendulum - other way! Other way!<< Exactly!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Oh man this is embarrassing ..." The story or the amateurish animated graphics? I jest. Yes, that does not paint a pretty picture of Americans.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Why does China recreate events with CGI? It's just so...weird and distracting from the actual news they're reporting on. As for the Ron Paul quotes several posts above; for once I actually agree with him.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Anyone up for a Christian Church in the center of Baghdad?!<< Sure - I'm all for it. It would be wonderful if the entire world were as tolerant as the United States. That's what I find so amusing about all the "We burn a Quran while these people KILL us!" outrage, as if that justifies it. I thought the whole point was our way of government, our values, and our Democracy were the best? I know I certainly believe that. I'm not some politically correct hippie who insists that radical Islamic countries are just "different." I think they're despicable. I think Burkas are appalling and I think what happens to Christians in some of these countries is outlandish. So why on earth try to mimic even a tiny part of these places by saying we don't want a certain type of church near a certain other type of place because it hurts our feelings? Allowing a mosque (this isn't a mosque, BTW) at Ground Zero is a triumph of American values and a defeat of the kind of homogeny the Taliban want.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///I think what happens to Christians in some of these countries is outlandish./// And as badly as Christians are treated in the parts of the Middle East and sections of Africa they are, as a rule, far better off than what some of those states do to females who have sex prior to marriage, adulterers---especially female adulterers---, women who defend themselves from husbands who abuse or speak derisively about their man or those who bed down their same gender. As far as safety I'd rather enter Iran holding a Bible than get caught romantically holding hands with a man. How anybody with a shred of decency could spend money in places like Dubai or Saudie is beyond me.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Anyone up for a Christian Church in the center of Baghdad?!<< <a href="http://www.chaldeansonline.org/church/christian.html" target="_blank">http://www.chaldeansonline.org...ian.html</a> If it's good enough for Six Flags ... er, I mean Baghdad ...
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<How anybody with a shred of decency could spend money in places like Dubai or Saudie is beyond me.>> Do you drive a car, or use electricity? Well, some of the oil used to create the power you use probably came from one of those countries. In fact, our entire way of life here in the West empowers the horrible governments that we claim to despise. THAT is the sad truth - we enable all that crap by using resources and products created in countries that treat their people like garbage - but no one seems to care here. They just want their new car, or computer, or shoes, etc; and screw the people that are suffering so that we can get cheap goods.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo That is spot on plpeters70. And America is not quite perfect either, death penalties, little social medicine, the impact of Katrina and the lack of support from the state around that, gun proliferation, segregation history in living memory, abortion clinic bombers, nowhere is perfect.
