Originally Posted By dagobert >>>there's plenty of room on the edges of the queue of the hill to phantom manor, just not on the side that faces thunder mountain<<< I know, but wouldn't it look strange to put such an interactive queue there? I mean the graveyard is at the exit. But we never know and I just hope it stays that way.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>Don't ruin Phantom Manor with something like this...<<< Don't worry, there is no money for something like that. I think that#s the first time I'm happy that ED SCA can't afford something for the parks.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<The HM was never meant to be scary once walt began rejected some of claude coates' ideas and went more with marc davis and rolly crump. Even the HM theme song isn't that scary.>> It's funny that you mention that. Overall it's not that scary. More whismical and amusing. But last night I fell asleep with my iPod playing on one of those radio/alarm clock docks. So it was playing the complete Haunted Mansion ride through. And the part when the ghost pops up from behind the grave screaming, well in the middle of the night, it kind of freaks you out for a bit.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""The HM was never meant to be scary once walt began rejected some of claude coates' ideas and went more with marc davis and rolly crump"" ummmmm, see this is what takes Mansion purists like me over the edge. The ENTIRE first half IS scary and unsettling. The ENTIRE first half is pure Claude Coats. No characters, only enviornments, hallways open to more hallways. STOP REWRITING MANSION HISTORY....Even Jason Surrell says the entire first half is Coats based. And the ONLY thing Crump in the Mansion is the designs in the woodwork and the chair in the Endless Hallway. THATS IT.
Originally Posted By DlandDug When every statement is a definitive, it makes people like me go over the edge! >>The ENTIRE first half is pure Claude Coats. No characters, only enviornments, hallways open to more hallways. STOP REWRITING MANSION HISTORY...<< The statement was about the mansion EXTERIOR. (Go back and read it.) The Coats (and Sam McKim) "run down" version was rejected by Walt, who wanted only neat 'n tidy structures in Disneyland. He famously said that the ghosts would make the inside scary. >>And the ONLY thing Crump in the Mansion is the designs in the woodwork and the chair in the Endless Hallway. THATS IT.<< NOPE. There are other things here and there. The grandfather clock and the stretching room light sconces, for example. You often complain that people find your posts disagreeable. If you didn't set yourself up as THE final arbiter of all that is correct, you wouldn't invite this kind of scrutiny.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Just recalled that Harper Goff did the very first "run down" drawings, but it was Ken Anderson who really defined the early version. And as far as Rolly's "minor" contributions, it should be pointed out that he was the artist who first suggested a seance room with floating objects. (Or is that a minor element in the HM experience?)
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Somehow I always get a Marshall McCluan vibe when Butler posts about the HM.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>ummmmm, see this is what takes Mansion purists like me over the edge. The ENTIRE first half IS scary and unsettling. The ENTIRE first half is pure Claude Coats. No characters, only enviornments, hallways open to more hallways. STOP REWRITING MANSION HISTORY<< The stretching room portraits are certainly more humorous than eerie. Woman on tightrope over hungry croc. Man in underwear standing on barrel of dynamite. Etc. Each portrait "stretched" to reveal a humorous gag. Even the non-interactive gravestones feature darkly whimsical verse. (Here lies good old Fred. A great big rock fell on his head.)
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "What does Iger care? He'll be gone by the time the thing opens." Man, this is one tough crowd. LOL.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The ENTIRE first half IS scary and unsettling." For who? Four year olds? There is nothing remotely scary about the Haunted Mansion. Yes, the environment is spooky and macabre, but scary? No.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Somehow I always get a Marshall McCluan vibe when Butler posts about the HM.<< Yeah! Wouldn't you love to be able to pull Walt from behind the popcorn wagon to say, "No, no... that's not what I meant at all."
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Walt really doesn't have much bearing on the Haunted Mansion. The vast majority of the ride was decided upon after he was dead.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 dead - Haunted Mansion ? hmmm...maybe a beyond the grave conspiracy here -- LOL !
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Walt really doesn't have much bearing on the Haunted Mansion.<< Sigh. Walt Disney worked extensively on "Spook House" concepts for over ten years. Every element of the Haunted Mansion had either been proposed by Walt, approved by Walt, or seen by Walt. Walt Disney died before the final decisions were made, so they were made by his close associates. Was it exactly what Walt would have done? Who knows. Was it the case that Walt didn't "have much bearing" on the Mansion? Not at all.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: So glad to see you picked up on that as well, DlandDug, duckling. Sometimes it's too easy to assume the wrong thing about certain facts that aren't as obvious as others.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Unfortunately the obnoxious sounds in it are not optional.<<< YES, that's it's biggest problem. Too freaking loud. That ruins the mood.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>><<The HM was never meant to be scary once walt began rejected some of claude coates' ideas and went more with marc davis and rolly crump. Even the HM theme song isn't that scary.><<<< >>>There is nothing remotely scary about the Haunted Mansion. Yes, the environment is spooky and macabre, but scary? No.<<< The beginning is... It's unsettling. It makes you think of death. It makes you fear for your safety. Something actually attacks you. Then, tells us that there's nothing to be scared of in death, and that the ghosts are happy, not haunting. Longforgottenhauntedmansion.blogspot.com has a wonderful piece on this. Good reading.
Originally Posted By danyoung >But the excuse "There's a line so it's cool that things aren't working." is a big pile of BS.< I've never even hinted that this is how I feel about Everest. Do I want the AA yeti to be working again? Of course. Am I pissed off at Disney for squabbling about who's going to pay for this? You betcha. But is the roller coaster a worthless pointless attraction because this one figure isn't moving like it should? Of course not.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> There is nothing remotely scary about the Haunted Mansion. << I could see how the corpse in the Stretch Room would be scary to younger guests.
