Originally Posted By vbdad55 "I know there's a bypass, but it isn't a cloaking device. The interactive elements are still in view and within hearing distance. It weakens the overall theme of the HM's exterior environment" then pull out the riverboat because I hear the whistle and see the boat go by as well -- it weakens the exterior for you and I appreciate that- but not everyone feels it does so so a fact it is not I do not find it to be a cheap diversion myself..although I don't believe I would go through the queue every time. I still give you the fact that at night I would avoid the queue and go for the thrill factor more..as it works at night for me- not during the daylight difference of opinion - nothing wrong with that either
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Slightly OT, but I know just what you mean. When I was in high school we read The Grapes of Wrath in English class, and it was this same thing - "The turtle has flipped on his back. What does this represent, and how does it pertain to what the protagonist is going through?" The symbolism might have been there, but for me it just took all the enjoyment out of reading the story.<<< I've always enjoyed that... I am a History Major, after all... ;-)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I didn't say it was "just a theme park ride", you said that. I said it was located in a Theme Park dedicated to Fun and Fantasy. Even at it's worse, HM is a fun ride. If people got bummed out about it they wouldn't ride again. And, as I have said...everyone has a right to their own opinion and I would have to frankly say that absolutely nothing about the original queue line left me with any forbidding feeling. It was fun and funny...the adventure didn't start really until one was inside. If the CM's were "in character" that set the mood.<<< Oh, well that's the attitude your post gave off... and that's not a bad thing, as you said, it's your opinion. And yes, HM is still fun, and IMO, still has this meaning. It shows death, yes, but in a, heck, happy light. The ghosts are CELEBRATING. Again, the website I linked to says all of this. And I don't understand how you can equate the beginning of the ride and the CMs being the fun and funny part of the story... that's the grim part. Things lighten up after Leota, and when you see the Ball Room. Though Chatty Connie, the new bride, does throw off that progression a little bit. To me, that just adds another layer of the morality tale, that the HM is.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>then pull out the riverboat because I hear the whistle and see the boat go by as well --<<< No, that's fine. That's a organic part of the land. You are still in Liberty Square. The problem with the sounds of the new queue, is that the sounds aren't organic and part of the intended mood. The opening of the HM is subtle, forbidding, and frightening. The sounds of Liberty Square can interact with that. The bubbling of a tomb, the upbeat rendition of GGGs by the organ, and the annoying cat, really clash with that. It's wrong. Honestly, if the sounds were toned down, I'd be really a lot more at home with this.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>>then pull out the riverboat because I hear the whistle and see the boat go by as well --<<< No, that's fine. That's a organic part of the land. You are still in Liberty Square. < sorry, if the sounds of the queue take away from the 'foreboding' that has been talked about here- so does a riverboat of hootin holler' people... that is not germaine to foreboding
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>And I don't understand how you can equate the beginning of the ride and the CMs being the fun and funny part of the story... that's the grim part. Things lighten up after Leota, and when you see the Ball Room.<<< Once again...what we have here is a failure to communicate. What I thought I was saying was that the queue itself was fun and funny...the headstones, the epitaphs and so on. Those things certainly didn't instill a feeling of dread...they were funny. What I was saying is that IF the CM's are in character the "spooky" part starts there, when you arrive at the door. That means the the nature of the queue has not changed at all.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>sorry, if the sounds of the queue take away from the 'foreboding' that has been talked about here- so does a riverboat of hootin holler' people...<<< I've never hear the people on the boat holler. I've heard the steam whistle, though, and that's fine. It's part of the greater atmosphere of LS. The quirky and playful sounds of the queue contradict all of that.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I mean, VB, it's like taking a queue for BTMR, which should be themed with a western touch, and in which you can hear the steam ship, and putting in slapstick sounds from a cartoon western. There's a rift. The environment has to be realistic, not just a hodge podge of matching ideas/themes.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Once again...what we have here is a failure to communicate. What I thought I was saying was that the queue itself was fun and funny...the headstones, the epitaphs and so on. Those things certainly didn't instill a feeling of dread...they were funny. What I was saying is that IF the CM's are in character the "spooky" part starts there, when you arrive at the door. That means the the nature of the queue has not changed at all.<<< Sure, they are funny to read, but it's not a hysterical laugh, now, is it? The old queue had moments of humor, but it's certainly DARK humor... limericks and rhymes about dead people! The intent is to spook you... with a splash of a joke. It's macabre. the new queue? All joke, all the time. That's the issue.
Originally Posted By danyoung >...it's like taking a queue for BTMR, which should be themed with a western touch, and in which you can hear the steam ship, and putting in slapstick sounds from a cartoon western.< You mean like the sounds that come out of the small buildings in the town at the end of DL's BTMRR?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<I mean, VB, it's like taking a queue for BTMR, which should be themed with a western touch, and in which you can hear the steam ship, and putting in slapstick sounds from a cartoon western.>> Now that is a valid point! The interactive queue is so versital it is Velveeta. You could make subtle changes to it and have it sitting infront of the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse, the Enchanted Tiki Bird House or Peter Pan. Since virtually every ride and attraction at WDW in every park deals with "near death experiences", death works! Maybe the HM interactive queue could be like the Vietnam Traveling Memorial Wall and Diseny could just move it from attraction to attraction.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 really a stretch, it is very obviously keyed to HM... the argument getting weaker IMHO as the reaches become further out.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>You mean like the sounds that come out of the small buildings in the town at the end of DL's BTMRR?<<< I wouldn't know.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Now that is a valid point! The interactive queue is so versital it is Velveeta. You could make subtle changes to it and have it sitting infront of the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse, the Enchanted Tiki Bird House or Peter Pan. Since virtually every ride and attraction at WDW in every park deals with "near death experiences", death works! Maybe the HM interactive queue could be like the Vietnam Traveling Memorial Wall and Diseny could just move it from attraction to attraction.<<< ...I'm REALLY hoping this was a joke... LOL.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Saying the Riverboat takes away from the early American theming and detracts from the Mansion is laughable. So a steam whistle echoing from the river detracts from the spookiness? Please.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I always thought the ghost dog collars and leashes sold back in the 80s took away from the experience. But, who am I?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^They sold them in the 90s too. I never understood the appeal of those things. Just goes to show stupid people will buy anything.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I always thought the ghost dog collars and leashes sold back in the 80s took away from the experience. But, who am I?<<< I agree.
Originally Posted By Manfried This thread is like the Energizer Bunny. It keeps on going and going and going....boom, boom, boom, boom.
