Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Rather this discussion is about some of us pointing out the obvious, while the Disney appologists are in full force. I think the Pooh interative queue accomplishes it's goal of entertaining crowds. I do not believe the same can be said for the HM interative queue where there are hardly ever any crowds. HM is an omnimover ride and gobbles up crowds. I have no problem with interative queues, this one is totally unnecessary and ill placed. And there are plenty of other places this one would have been more appreciated and better suited with some tweeking.
Originally Posted By Manfried It is not apples and oranges, you guys just won't admit you don't like any change.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Not really. People have already talked about changes they like. Rather, you're the one who is intent on grouping everyone who doesn't like this addition into one category.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<It is not apples and oranges, you guys just won't admit you don't like any change.>> I think I answered that in post #281. I think the Pooh interative queue accomplishes it's goal of entertaining crowds. I do not believe the same can be said for the HM interative queue where there are hardly ever any crowds. HM is an omnimover ride and gobbles up crowds. I have no problem with interative queues, this one is totally unnecessary and ill placed. And there are plenty of other places this one would have been more appreciated and better suited with some tweeking. Please made note of: And there are plenty of other places this one would have been more appreciated. I believe I am making a valid point when I state that there are definately other attractions where an interative que would be greatly appreciated. It just seems odd that Disney was determined to place an interative queue in front of HM, where most people could careless about an interactive queue being there. Listen to yourselves, you keep saying you could careless if it is there. Your going to use the non-interactive queue line anyway. Sounds unappreciated to me. So why not place an interactive queue somewhere where it is going to be appreciated?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ I think many people probably agree with that but at the same time choose not to stress-out over it. We recognize that as with any company, Disney is going to make some changes we like, some changes we don't like and some changes we just don't care about. At least in this case it is an option and not something people are 'forced' to experience. In the total scheme of things the HM queue addition is of minor consequence compared to some of the other changes that have occurred at WDW over the past few years.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<In the total scheme of things the HM queue addition is of minor consequence compared to some of the other changes that have occurred at WDW over the past few years.>> Agreed! But, imagine if this interative queue had been placed in the queue for Soarin or Toy Story? We would all be raving about it! We would all be saying how Disney management truely does have their finger on the pulse of park guests. Disney management is listening AND responding in kind.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Rather, you're the one who is intent on grouping everyone who doesn't like this addition into one category.<< Not the ONLY one... >>...this discussion is about some of us pointing out the obvious, while the Disney appologists are in full force.<< Noted. Anyone who disagrees that this queue is an affront to all that is sacred and holy at the Magic Kingdom (ie: the "obvious") is ... an apologist.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>We would all be raving about it!<< I doubt it. More likely: the Usual Suspects would be deploring the change.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<In the total scheme of things the HM queue addition is of minor consequence compared to some of the other changes that have occurred at WDW over the past few years.>> Agreed. It riles me up because the HM is my favorite Disney attraction. It isn't as meaningful as other horrid changes in the past 10 years.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Noted. Anyone who disagrees that this queue is an affront to all that is sacred and holy at the Magic Kingdom (ie: the "obvious") is ... an apologist.>> I'm not the first to use that term on this board. That is the term a certain group has used to describe themselves. I didn't coil it. Doug, you know as well as I do that I don't fall into the "all or nothing" thinking catergory. I have stated numberous times that I approve of the interative queue in front of Pooh. I already stated my reasons for not approving of the interative queue in front of the HM. And I will be more than happy to go over them again, 1) HM is an omnimover ride, it gobbles up crowds. Thus, it is not a ride/attraction notorious for having long wait times. 2) The interative queue at the HM is unappreciated period! 3) It is totally under utilized. How many times do you have to say an interactive que would be more appreciated and better utilized elsewhere before you get a break around here? Geez Louise!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I'm not the first to use that term on this board. That is the term a certain group has used to describe themselves. I didn't coil it.>> No, the term (I believe) was created by the Great and Wondrous Spirit. Some of us have chosen to define ourselves as such just because we think it is so ludicrous.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper There are such things as Disney apologists (see: jt04). That being said, I really don't consider anyone on this site to be one. Some are less critical than others, but that's cool. I find the majority of the discussion on the site to be fairly level headed (save for our Butler friend) and interesting. It's only when it degrades to the childish name calling and pigeon-holing of people's opinions that things get out of hand.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Just adding... I enjoyed the Spirit's posts, even though I tend to believe he thought his opinions were much more important than they really were. That's OK. I do the same thing. What's the use of bulletin boards if you can't erroneously think that everyone is just waiting to hear you next opinion? At least I realize that in the final analysis no one really gives a rat's butt about what I think! LOL
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper There are such things as Disney apologists (see: jt04). That being said, I really don't consider anyone on this site to be one. Some are less critical than others, but that's cool. I find the majority of the discussion on the site to be fairly level headed (save for our Butler friend) and interesting. It's only when it degrades to the childish name calling and pigeon-holing of people's opinions that things get out of hand.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb >>>There are such things as Disney apologists (see: jt04). That being said, I really don't consider anyone on this site to be one. Some are less critical than others, but that's cool. I find the majority of the discussion on the site to be fairly level headed (save for our Butler friend) and interesting. It's only when it degrades to the childish name calling and pigeon-holing of people's opinions that things get out of hand.<<< SO true! I whole heartedly agree with this, especially the last bit.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<At least I realize that in the final analysis no one really gives a rat's butt about what I think!>> I believe that Disney would gleam a lot of information by reading these threads. It could save them a lot of time debating the merits of simple decisions. I posted my concerns regarding the HM interactive queue. Do I think it sucks? Not at all. And althought I somewhat agree with the folks that think it affects the overall effect of the HM. I think you can use that arguement to make sure nothing "new" is ever done to the parks at WDW. There is nothing wrong something new at WDW. But, it would help if it made some sense. I'm not sure the interactive queue at the HM makes a whole lot of sense. I think the best explaination so far for it's existence at the HM is that a VP who made that decision previously worked the HM and so he favors that attraction. It would seem to me that if WDW management really want to make the HM a great attraction, then paint up the castmembers working that attraction like they do for MNSSHP. I would think that would be a lot more poignant than an interactive queue.
Originally Posted By leobloom What's wrong with calling Goofy a simpleton? Isn't that an accurate description of the cartoon character?
Originally Posted By PotNoodle <<There are such things as Disney apologists (see: jt04).>> Please. He is a D&G compared to hakunamata and WMRS43. The biggest apologists ever.
Originally Posted By Manfried I am not a Disney apologist, but some of the obsessions by some are just, well, amazing. Particularly when it comes to any change. Any change at all.
