Originally Posted By barboy2 ///waste of a thread - people have the option to bypass if they don't like.... It(HM's interative queue) doesn't take up space where anything else would go/// very weak....... and I'll tell you why since one of your common themes in your arguments is company money: Disney, like all 'people', has a finite amount of coin. And the money used on that queue could have been used more wisely like, say, well, how about a working snow creature or a few 5 gallon buckets of paint and a hired worker or two to apply it. Instead of building something new which is wholly unneeded why not fix what is ALREADY broken or in need of care? Can't you see that?!?!
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>I'm surprised Goofy doesn;t make a Carsillo/Goodman Facebook Fanpage<<< As much as I'd like to be totally insulted, I'm afraid that not only do I not know who, or possibly whom, they are, but even if I did I wouldn't care. My opinion is my opinion and yours is yours...no matter how wrong you might be.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "And the money used on that queue could have been used more wisely like, say, well, how about a working snow creature or a few 5 gallon buckets of paint and a hired worker or two to apply it. " show me one shred of proof that the HM queue prevents either of these and I would agree with you. 1/ I don't believe the fix to the Yeti is money related, I believe they cnnot get the technology to handle the size/weight of the subject 2/ the HM queue does noit replace a few gallons of paint in standard maintenance- sepaarate issue on how often that is done--- and I agree it needs to be more often than now. the HM queue also did not replace an E ticket, nor is it preventing one. The construction going on in FL shows there is money left to be spent.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///show me one shred of proof that the HM queue prevents either of these and I would agree with you./// I just layed out the 'proof'. Boy, you sure are slow...... or you are being dishonest and putting up the Disney Defense Act again-----I'm thinking the latter. But in case it is the former I will spell out the obvious, again: Every 'person'/entity has a limited amount of money. Money was channeled to the new Mansion queue. They Yeti is still broken due to not fixing it which costs money. Again why not fix the necessary things ,like the currently immobile snow beast, first then move on to other projects ***IF*** there is money left. ///the HM queue also did not replace an E ticket, nor is it preventing one. The construction going on in FL shows there is money left to be spent./// Again, fix the necessary stuff first, then go build your new Fantasyland. Is that so hard to understand? Can I ask you a question? I will anyway. If, for example, you had $7K(no health insurance)and you had an 11 year old son who broke his leg would you go off and take an Alaska cruise with the money or would you enlist the services----for a nice fee of course----of a medic to fix the leg? I'm fairly certain that I would take the $7k to fix Son's broken leg first. And if there were funds left then I'd think about a cruise. But that is just me I guess.
Originally Posted By danyoung barboy, aside from being rude you're assuming facts not in evidence. You're assuming that the new HM queue and fixing the yeti and buying a few gallons of paint all cost the same thing. You're also assuming that all of these things come out of the same budget, which they do not. And that's a huge issue within such a massive company as Disney. The queue probably came out of a new "capital expenditure" budget that's totally different than the maintenance or repair and refurb budgets. So just because one hand is spending money doesn't mean it has the slightest effect on what comes out of other budgets.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///1/ I don't believe the fix to the Yeti is money related/// Can I ask just one favor........please be more frank and you'll notice my tone will be more pleasant. It's just that I have little patience for dishonesty.
Originally Posted By danyoung How is the expression of opinion being dishonest? There are many thoughts about why the yeti hasn't been fixed, and money is only one of them. From what I've read there are two other possible reasons. One is that to fix the concrete pedestal that the yeti stands on (cracks in it are the real problem in this scenario), they'd have to basically crack the mountain open to get access, and this just isn't a plausible solution. The other one is that they know what needs to be done and it's actually doable, but the different divisions in TDO simply can't decide who is going to pay for it. It's not out of the ballpark money - just that everyone thinks it's everyone else's responsibility to pay for it.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///You're also assuming that all of these things come out of the same budget/// There is still a finite amount of money to allocate among departments/divisions/sectors. High end decision makers have the power to allocate as they see fit and you know that......but keep defending anyway. ///The queue probably came out of a new "capital expenditure" budget that's totally different than the maintenance or repair and refurb budgets. So just because one hand is spending money doesn't mean it has the slightest effect on what comes out of other budgets./// I now know why the USA and the like are in such financial ruin, mostly. It's BS 'rationale' like what you wrote directly above that contribute to the economic demise.
Originally Posted By barboy2 Oh and Danny, I notice that you didn't admonish our Chicago Dad here when he called the OP's creative work a "waste of a thread". Why is that?(that was rhetorical by the way because I, you and everyone else know well the reason). Anyway if you're going to call out rudeness be consistent that way you'll have more credibility around here.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I didn't want to get into this part of the discussion, but geez Barboy, just how little understanding of how business operates can one person have. As with ever thing else in life...a business works within the strong influence of internal politics as well as, in this case, the public held portions of the company. Too say that they can just "swap" money from one department to another is a bigger fantasy then all of WDW put together. You yourself said that Disney has a finite amount of money to deal with. I don't know what your definition of finite is, but mine says that it has bounds and limits. The capital expenditure for Fantasyland alone is enough to make your toes curl and the fact that they did anything at all at HM is an indication that they are interested in upgrading and investing in projects. Not every project can or should be zillions of dollars.
Originally Posted By barboy2 You're telling me----a self made more than 5 fold millionaire even in this lackluster economy----how to work with money?! I started delivering pizzas around in my 15+ year old 1974 Toyota Corolla junk-mobile during and after high school, dropped out of college and univeristies(4 of them actually) after saving up about $15,000 and made it grow by my own countless "crazy"(according to family and friends who had very little vision and who are still somewhat poor today) moves in financing, buying & selling and holding real property. And 'yes' I also have moved money that was earmaked for one project to another several times. I laugh at you. ///Too say that they can just "swap" money from one department to another is a bigger fantasy then all of WDW put together./// An organization can do whatever it wants, ANYTHING........ (except for break laws) including moving money from one area to another within the firm----- how you and others cannot understand that is beyond comprehension. Do you think on your own or do others tell you what is proper? If I took money advice from you I'd likely make "head driver" at Dominoes Pizza by now.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost "5 fold millionaire"...yup...I'm sure! Who's watching your wealth while you are here arguing useless topics? Never mind...I know...it's your never ending supply of peons, right?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "Every 'person'/entity has a limited amount of money. Money was channeled to the new Mansion queue. They Yeti is still broken due to not fixing it which costs money. " if anyone's slow barboy, it is you - except to rip things. how many corporte budgets hae you managed in your lifetime ? Zero ? I thought so. yes there is a finite amount of money but in your little economic world you have limited the top end to the cost of the queue. Do you know the cost of the queue ? I doubt very highly that took up the budget. Lookat the money being spent on FL-- if the queue was the budget breaker that wouldn't be going on in your warped example either. So when it comes to financial PROOF - yours is crapola. Do you know howmuch it cost sto fix the Yeti ? Better yet, do you know the Yeti doesn't have to be re-engineered ( more likely because no amount of money is going to make it work with the technology being used. But then I guess I am 'slow' on that also.. really for a guy with what seems like very limited quality knowledge of anything- you're pretty quick to rip others as somehow being less intelligent than you... as for your example- what the hell does that have to do with anything ? When you get the 'finite' number from the operating budget for capital expense come and talk to me- otherwise please do not set it at the cost of the HM queue which would be a fly and an elephants behind in their operating budget. Again my guess is that the Yetoi is NOT just a financial issue. or else it would be done - or at least planned. p.s. Imay be getting older but 'slow' - sorry, I don't think so.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Anyway if you're going to call out rudeness be consistent that way you'll have more credibility around here. btw- you get rudeness from people because it's all you deal out--nothing worth a damn, just rudeness. I thought I'd type that out for you since you must be 'slow' by not getting it- as you accuse others... also how many threads are you going to start on the same topic and with the samehyperbole ? We get it, you hate the queue- duly noted.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "I now know why the USA and the like are in such financial ruin, mostly. It's BS 'rationale' like what you wrote directly above that contribute to the economic demise." or because of under educated dopes who just don't get it but pretend they know all the answers--
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ". Not every project can or should be zillions of dollars" oh buy Goofy - they spent zillions ( which was their finite limit" whatever the hell that is- on the HM queue don't you know- geez Louise
Originally Posted By barboy2 I stopped working about 5 years ago, mostly. And now I travel........Oh, and I never had 'peons' as you say since I did close to all finishing work myself---to save money of course...... but I did outsource things that I could not(or would not want to) do like roofing and swimmng pool refurbishments. But I currently have a significant(as far as single family homes go anyway) project in SE Asia where I live about 7 out of the 12 months. By the way it was my fun trips to Tokyo Dis Resort where I started to fully notice WDW's lack of maintenance.......you know, the old compare and contrast thing at play. OLC keeps their AA's in good working order.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 you know what I hope you did turn $15K into $5M+ --- but then I'd ask you what the hell you're spending your time on a Disney chat forum for- you should be working your investments... as for me I'll with-hold my opinion about who's being dishonest.
