Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan DAR, you're once again setting up a strawman. No one said anything about the midwest. Except YOU. Oh brother. Same damn tactic by you again and again and again.
Originally Posted By chickendumpling You should watch the whole thing then. Biden sure didn't take a holier than thou attitude. To me, she did by saying that she and ONLY she can understand "real" middle class Americans.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***<<The folksy crap was ridiculous, but maybe that's what people out there enjoy>> You mean stuff that regular Americans enjoy. That's what people do, they go to church. They go to their daughter's dance recitals. Their son's little league games. We like shopping at Target and Home Depot.*** So what, DAR? Does that mean they (you) don't care about getting answers about what our polititians are going to do to fix the mess our country is in? You think it's a good thing that she sidestepped all the questions? I understand that whole "she connected", and that might just get her some votes...but it doesn't speak well for how she's going to help Joe six-pack AFTER she gets elected. Does it?
Originally Posted By mawnck I give him snaps for joining us, though. This has not been a friendly thread for Ms. Palin.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I'm gonna talk straight to the American people. In other words, no interviews with those pesky "questions." Regurgitate variations on my stump speech and stay out of hot water.
Originally Posted By ecdc Only DAR could make "I didn't like the phony schmaltz" into "I hate little league, Home Depot, mom, and apple pie! Long live Putin, comrade!"
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Joe Biden talks about losing his wife and daughter, and not knowing if his child will survive, Sarah Palin can not even acknowledge him, and rattles off yet another answer about mavericks. How disconnected can someone be?*** Yeah, this was the kicker for me though. She is so unable to do ANYTHING but bury herself in the script, that I doubt she even REALIZED he was talking about her and all other parents out there. She sure didn't acknowledge it. Not even with a nod. Onward with the script! Sad.
Originally Posted By mawnck CBS: Undecided voters 46% thought Biden won 21% thought Bubblehair won 33% thought it was a tie. 18% decided to vote for Obama 10% decided to vote for McCain 71% still undecided.
Originally Posted By hopemax From the transcript on CNN... <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...dex.html</a> IFILL: Has this administration's policy been an abject failure, as the senator says, Governor? PALIN: No, I do not believe that it has been. But I'm so encouraged to know that we both love Israel, and I think that is a good thing to get to agree on, Sen. Biden. I respect your position on that. No, in fact, when we talk about the Bush administration, there's a time, too, when Americans are going to say, "Enough is enough with your ticket," on constantly looking backwards, and pointing fingers, and doing the blame game. There have been huge blunders in the war. There have been huge blunders throughout this administration, as there are with every administration. But for a ticket that wants to talk about change and looking into the future, there's just too much finger-pointing backwards to ever make us believe that that's where you're going. Positive change is coming, though. Reform of government is coming. We'll learn from the past mistakes in this administration and other administrations. And we're going to forge ahead with putting government back on the side of the people and making sure that our country comes first, putting obsessive partisanship aside. That's what John McCain has been known for in all these years. He has been the maverick. He has ruffled feathers. But I know, Sen. Biden, you have respected for them that, and I respect you for acknowledging that. But change is coming. Can someone please interpret this for me? It's supposed to be a question about the Administration's policy in regards to Israel.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<So while there was no deer in the headlights freeze, there was no nuance there was no thoughtfulness. I feel like the only thing I learned about Sarah Palin was that she can memorize and regurgitate talking points. There was one point, when I felt we got to see the real Sarah Palin, and that was the questions about energy. In that question you could see her engage Biden, and give something other than a flashcard answer.>> Agreed 100% Like I said, it felt like she was just relaying talking points, no real depth to what she was saying, BUT she remembered them really well, so that was a plus for her, but it was CLEARLY obvious when Biden talk, he had command of the subject matter and he didnt blink on a single answer. When Palin didnt know, she simply went to a point that did and harped on that. But, just my take.
Originally Posted By chickendumpling The public should demand another debate. Palin said she wanted one.
Originally Posted By DAR Bottom line Palin sounds folksy it's all fake. If Biden sounds folksy it's wonderful. I think this is the time you all admit to peeing on my leg while telling me it's raining.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<<BUT she remembered them really well, so that was a plus for her>> McCain pats Sarah on the head, yes honey, sweetie, sugar pie, you did a good good job my little one. Gag!
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 No way I can slog through 500 posts and then remember my initial impressions of the debate. So, having watched it -- and not reading any of the previous posts on this thread -- my fresh impressions are: -- They both "won." Both of their performances will play well with the American people. Undecided voters should be swayed toward Obama/Biden by Biden's appeal to facts, not slogans. But Palin's folksiness may neutralize that. -- Another manifestation of our "news is entertainment" culture: Palin felt free to flat-out declare that she'll answer the questions in whatever way she wants to. Fine. So the rules of debate are a personal annoyance you'll just disregard. I guess you can do that when you're a maverick. -- Loser: Gwen. Because both candidates consistently ignored the posed questions in order to inject their pre-planned schtick. Because the agreed-upon format fell apart immediately. Gwen gently cajoled the candidates a couple of times over their evasiveness, but that wasn't enough. She lost control of the thing early on. It didn't have to be that way. -- Most engaging moments of the telecast: witnessing a little 5-year-old being saddled with a gigantic baby and being made to carry it around for minutes, including navigating stairs.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Well, I lived in Chicago and from what I gathered living there, they wouldn't have much tolerance for being patronized and all the phoney baloney wink wink garbage.
Originally Posted By chickendumpling You should watch the whole thing for yourself, DAR. I'm not peeing on your leg. That's gross.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Bottom line Palin sounds folksy it's all fake.*** I don't think it's fake, just unwanted (by thinking people, anyway). She's FAR more genuine with the folksy shtick than George W could ever hope to be. For him it's a political act. For her, it's a way of life. Now step aside, I've got a moose in my sights!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Bottom line Palin sounds folksy it's all fake. If Biden sounds folksy it's wonderful.<< Biden didn't sound folksy. Sarah sounded like she was trying very hard to sound folksy. Sorry about the leg.
