Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So, how can Obama's service be laughable, but at the same time you're all saying how the world is a community, and America is a community, and we need to build a community....it makes NO sense to me, and seems like a total contradiction.<< T'was one of many. I posted it on another thread, but as someone who does volunteer, I know I am not changing the whole world, but I think it's important for everyone to help in their community. To see that jeered at was a slap in the face, but par for the course from this convention. That's why I enjoyed being a bit jeering right back at 'em in this thread last night. They earned it.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Did they really have to bring up 9/11 again?>>> I think it's still relevant. People have forgotten that there are organized, well formed groups out there still wanting to violently attack our citizens.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan People have also forgotten the international goodwill we had following 9/11, and how this administration squandered it.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 I stand by my comments, I'm extremely disilluisioned with this group of people and their message. I've stated over and over that I could have possibly voted for McCain but in my opinion he sold his soul this election. A lot of us have stated again and again we respect McCains time as a POW but I'm tired of hearing about it and not enough about the future, his agenda, what he's going to do. I don't think it's much to ask. This was an empty convention, little substance. I could have easily added comments to the Demo convention too but frankly it was more compelling so I was watching more intently. I have no qualms in saying that. Obama has been ripped and shredded apart in these threads leading up to the conventions so save the sad human beings part. I think its sad to keep repeating Sarah Palin is HOT but to each his own.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Both sides have also forgotten the ino-partisan goodwill we had following 9/11, and how wanting to win an election has squandered it.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <I think its sad to keep repeating Sarah Palin is HOT but to each his own.> I agree. Don't you, Mr X?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Obama has been ripped and shredded apart in these threads leading up to the conventions so save the sad human beings part.<< Exactly. And you'll notice that Obama has been pretty "above the fray" as he is attacked like crazy. That says a lot too. McCain laughed and cheered and flung the mud plenty, and Sarah Palin "introduced" herself to America with a mean-spirited barn burner that everyone in the GOP did backflips of joy over. "America's Most Popular Governor" LOL! Sounded like Ann Coulter II to me. So yeah, lecture us on how mean we are jeering back at the GOP convention. I'll tune up my violin.
Originally Posted By DAR Oh and the mocking tone of people saying they're "sick of hearing about McCain's POW experience" is okay? Guess what McCain gets to play that card for the rest of his life. You know I was really moved by hearing McCain tell his story. And what struck me about it was here was a politician actually admitting his failure. But if some of you want to mock that than go right ahead. As for the community organizer comments yes they came across as snarky. But it's the belief that can somehow make you qualified to be President it doesn't.
Originally Posted By Ursula DAR : <-Last week during Obama's speech not one person who might not be voting for him offered any snarky commentary during the speech. Here I noticed a lot of sarcastic comments where if one bad word was said about Obama it would have been bedlam. It says a lot about who some of you are as human beings and quite frankly it's very sad.> Mrs. Palin was snarky and sarcastic the previous evening. Speaking only for myself, I was using my American right to free speech last night and I stand by every thing I said and I'd gladly say it again. Mrs. Palin was using her platform of speaking out and I was using mine. Plus, I can't help it if you didn't think of it first.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Oh and the mocking tone of people saying they're "sick of hearing about McCain's POW experience" is okay? Guess what McCain gets to play that card for the rest of his life.<< That's not mocking, it's simply true. Being sick of hearing people trot out McCain's service is a valid point. Not because it's about McCain's service, but because it's about this attitude that we can't be critical of someone who was once in the military. Obama is forced to acknowledge McCain's service every 5 minutes because he knows if he doesn't, the GOP will turn him into a soldier-hater. Mind, this is the height of hypocrisy given the '04 election. But DAR, I'm sure you were equally defensive of John Kerry, right? If we go look, maybe we'll find post after post attacking the Swiftboaters and telling us that you will definitely be voting Democrat because "Kerry gets to play that card for the rest of his life." Or is it only Republican soliders who are deserving of your adulation?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Oh and the mocking tone of people saying they're "sick of hearing about McCain's POW experience" is okay? Guess what McCain gets to play that card for the rest of his life." Who was mocking? I truly am tired of it. If you read what I wrote about it, I said I'm sure McCain had waited his entire political life to be able to talk about it at just that moment. His problem was that so many others had already done it for him by the time he was able to realize his dream, it had been done to death.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<<That's not mocking, it's simply true. Being sick of hearing people trot out McCain's service is a valid point. Not because it's about McCain's service, but because it's about this attitude that we can't be critical of someone who was once in the military. Obama is forced to acknowledge McCain's service every 5 minutes because he knows if he doesn't, the GOP will turn him into a soldier-hater. Mind, this is the height of hypocrisy given the '04 election. But DAR, I'm sure you were equally defensive of John Kerry, right? If we go look, maybe we'll find post after post attacking the Swiftboaters and telling us that you will definitely be voting Democrat because "Kerry gets to play that card for the rest of his life." Or is it only Republican soliders who are deserving of your adulation?>>> Excellent. Just because you were in the service does not make you now exempt of any criticism or questioning. He's a hero that doesn't necessarily qualify him to be President of this country or give him a free pass.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Mind, this is the height of hypocrisy given the '04 election. But DAR, I'm sure you were equally defensive of John Kerry, right? If we go look, maybe we'll find post after post attacking the Swiftboaters and telling us that you will definitely be voting Democrat because "Kerry gets to play that card for the rest of his life." Or is it only Republican soliders who are deserving of your adulation?<< Ping! Right on the money. Kerry was mercilessly mocked and belittled, even John McCain said enough already. But it continues still.
Originally Posted By dshyates Jay Leno: (laugh) "for one million dollars, how many houses do you have?" McCain: "... I spent five and a half years in a prison cell, I didn't have a house, I didn't have a kitchen table, I didn't have a table, I didn't have a chair..." Oh, sure he can play that card anytime he wants for the rest of his life. But the impact will be decreased with each abuse of it.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan And I'll say this, too. As much as people are fawning over McCain being a hero now, it sure as hell didn't stop the GOP from ROVE-ing him and his family back in 2000. It made me sick back then to watch it. Limbaugh and all the right wing pundits who used to blast "liberal" McCain can't stop telling his POW story now, even though he was mocked and belittled CONSTANTLY even during this primary, until he won. What does the GOP think, everyone forgets this stuff? So sorry, but the "hero" stuff now feels like too little too late. I'm glad McCain feels honored by it. But look at the tape. You see people in the audience bored with it during Thompson's speech, chatting, getting up to use the restroom or something, disengaged. They respect his service insofar as it helps the GOP win the White House, nothing more. I think this phony "honoring" is worse than none at all.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Couple of things I heard on the radio this morning - Cindy McCain was wearing over $300,000 in fashion and jewelry last night. I didn't care for it at all personally. AND - Nancy Wilson of 'Heart' has issued a cease and desist request to the McCain campaign from using 'Barracuda'. Good for her!
Originally Posted By wonderingalice <<AND - Nancy Wilson of 'Heart' has issued a cease and desist request to the McCain campaign from using 'Barracuda'. Good for her!>> Ohhhh! *LOL* I LOVE that! Yes, good for her!! Maybe they can get one of those many country artists they paraded through to right a song about "My Pitbull."
Originally Posted By Ursula Yeah, you'd think they might have done some research on who exactly Ann and Nancy Wilson are and what they are like and to whom one of them is married... "but the song, you know, has Barracuda in it, so it MUST be fitting..."
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>AND - Nancy Wilson of 'Heart' has issued a cease and desist request to the McCain campaign from using 'Barracuda'. Good for her!<< LOL, using that song makes about as much sense as when the GOP used "Born in the USA" several years ago. Don't they ever read lyrics? These songs don't mean what they think they mean.
