Originally Posted By mawnck Too scripted, too many applause lines, but she did connect with her peeps better than Obama did. Oh, there's Johnny. What a surprise!
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Yep, Annie Alaska kicked some butt. Tough talking, gun toting, take no prisoners type a-gal. Whew boy.
Originally Posted By Mrs ElderP From the point of "ear" of a listener only, (for both her and Obama), I do think she took many more breaks for rabid applause than Obama did. On the other hand, I don't think Obama's venue lended as much to that sort of thing. I imagine he could really hear his audience as much. She did throw those Republican some "red-meat", which is, honestly everyone conceeds is the role of the modern VP nominee. She was doing her job. However, as an uncommitted voter it did nothing for me.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>She connected better than Obama? Really, you think so?<< To her peeps. My hunch is that the folks at home may not have bought it. I think they were looking for substance, and they got a speech.
Originally Posted By mawnck Just read that they had a short intro film prepared about her, but it got 86'd because Giuliani took too long. Anybody know who got dragged out?
Originally Posted By ecdc Does anybody really swallow this crap? Did you hear Guiliani say of the Democrats, "When they gave up on Iraq, they gave up on America." What is this, 2004 again? Seriously, do Republicans really watch this and feel good about their party? Really?
Originally Posted By Lisann22 There were many WTH moments in all their speeches, I think they think their party forgot they got us all into this mess.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Seriously, do Republicans really watch this and feel good about their party? Really?<< You saw 'em, baby! They're nominating McCain now.
Originally Posted By ecdc What boggles my mind is how they've embraced this call for change. They say McCain is the one to fix Washington. But Republicans had total power in Washington for 6 years. Say whatever you like about the Democrats, at least their calls for change make a little bit of sense. This is the same stunt Republicans have pulled on Iraq. Bush got us into this mess, then acted as if we were independent of it, like we made a wrong turn on the way to Kandahar.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>They say McCain is the one to fix Washington. But Republicans had total power in Washington for 6 years.<< LOL, they'd rather people forget that many of "the challenges of the next 4 years" are due to the ineptitude of their administration's last 8 years. The GOP does not deserve 4 more years simply as a penalty shot (to use a hockey mom term) for misguided, bumbling, corrupt leadership over the past 8 years.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan And this speech offered nothing, not a thing, for moderates. Great pick, Mr. McCain! The far right loves you for it. Enjoy the convention, reality hits very soon.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Yes, but Josh and Doug, you guys were "sold" before the speech. I'm trying to look at it from a moderate's viewpoint -- what in those speeches reached out to the moderate, or the Democrat unhappy with Obama? Nothing. Lieberman's speech last night at least attempted to suggest a politics above the usual partisanship. It was an appeal to reason, a true "Country First" sort of message. But tonight, this stuff was all for the already sold crowd. I'm sure it further solidified the base, but little else.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Rudy's too.<< A lot of commentators are saying Guiliani's speech may be a problem for the GOP. It was, of course, Republican boilerplate for those in attendance (but these are the same people that applauded George W. Bush....so...) but for moderates, it was a very flippant speech. While Obama and Biden's speeches were definitely critical of the GOP, they weren't mocking in doing so. But Guliani's comments about Al Gore's private jet, for example, won't play well with moderates. In fact, most commentators are saying that after Palin and Guliani, McCain will now have to back off a bit and offer something to moderates, because this was all about the base.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 They were both full of cheap shots that added nothing to the explanations of what, how or why they are different or need to be elected.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>McCain will now have to back off a bit and offer something to moderates, because this was all about the base.<< I think they're right. And, the old John McCain, the one the media used to adore and moderates flocked to, was good at being that voice of reason. Now that enough red meat has been flung to the crowd, I expect he will be very statesmanlike and present a much more moderate vision. I hope.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <what in those speeches reached out to the moderate, or the Democrat unhappy with Obama?> The need to go after all possible energy sources, so we make our economy strong and keep it that way. The need to be strong in the face of the enemies of freedom. The need to keep money and jobs in our communities, and not send it to Washington, so that bureaucrats can go to fancy parties. And most of important of all, the need to put into office people who have actually done things other than talk.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <McCain will now have to back off a bit and offer something to moderates> That's as it should be.
