Originally Posted By Bellella gadzuux, I have a vague memory of seeing EO in the theater before it closed. That was back in the early 90's. After that, it faded out of my mind until I re-discovered it on the Net about 3 years ago. I then regretted that they ever took it out, as I never really enjoyed Honey I Shrunk The Audience. I was really glad when they put EO back. I'm not sure why that movie should be a source of embarrassment to you out there who remember the 80's. Personally, I'd think that the issues of greed and mass consumerism would be more of a shame. Tomorrowland has such potential. I could easily see it as a land of the future dedicated to new ideas in technology and environmentalism, with many of those ideas incorporated into the attractions. I'm thinking solar power, LED lighting, electric Autopia cars, the works. None of the rides would have to go, except maybe Astro Orbiter and Buzz Lightyear. If they have to take out Captain EO (and this is REALLY rhetorical), they could show an entertaining film in the theater about new technologies that'll help us. And the PeopleMover track must be used for something. If they would have to rebuild it a bit to meet new standards, I'd say go for it.
Originally Posted By phruby If they stuck a film about new technologies in one of the building it would guarantee no one would see it. It needs to be a ride that is more about future fantasy and less about science education. I still wish they would give us something like what was in the movie FutureWorld. We board a rocket and dock at a space station were we can space walk, ride around in space and have a nice 70's style restraunt lounge. Basically the idea of a ride to get to other rides. Of course, the robots shouldn't be able to kill or replace us.
Originally Posted By gadzuux The reason Eo is an 'embarassment' - to the park, not to me - is because it's featured in TOMORROWLAND. Here's a 3D music video from the eighties - with all the big hair and spandex - starring a performer who's been dead for over two years, and dragged through scandal for about twenty years. The only reason it was brought back was because Jackson died suddenly and tragically - if that hadn't happened Disney would never have had a (semi) valid excuse for returning the firm. Also - HISTA was all played out - much like Eo was at the end of its original run - and needed to be replaced. But rather than replace it was something new and unique, Disney chose to go with the cheap and easy fallback position. As mentioned, I was opposed to the idea from the beginning, but that's what they did. That was two years ago. Does Disney not have any imagination and creativity to find a respectable replacement? It certainly seems that way. And that's an embarassment to the park. As to decrying consumerism, be sure to pick up your Captain Eo t-shirt, mouse pad and coffee mug right next door to the attraction. In your post above you speak about the potential for Tommorowland, to be a showcase for new ideas and technology. Yet daily on these boards and others, we see people pining away for a return of old moribund attractions that have no relevance to the world of today, let alone tomorrow. There's nothing current or relevant about Eo - not the 3D technology, not the music, not the performer. Everything about it - from the style of music, clothes and hair - reeks of an era long gone, yet clearly remembered by many many DL visitors. It's strictly nostalgia, and a weird kind of nostalgia at that. It doesn't belong at Disneyland, and certainly not in Tomorrowland.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I totally agree. That said, when I'm there in early December (yep - finally going to Disneyland! Woo hoo!), I fully expect to go see it once just FOR the nostalgia, as long as it's there. TL shouldn't really be for nostalgia, but there you are.
Originally Posted By phruby I remember you all though Captain EOs return was a great thing because HISTA sucked so bad. "Anything would be better than HISTA! Bring back Captain EO!" Now you got EO and you can't get rid of him. Be careful what you wish for. You might get it!
Originally Posted By danyoung >I am still very much peeved that the only CircleVision theatre on the West Coast was first turned into part of the queue for Rocket Rods, then a paint shop for carousel horses, and then gutted for Buzz Lightyear.< I snuck backstage when they were building Buzz, and saw the famed CircleVision Theater on its last gasp. It was half ripped out, but you could still see some of the curved wall, and the cutouts where the projectors lived. I've been going to shows in that building since 1963, and it was really sad to see it being torn apart!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Be careful what you wish for. You might get it!<< While I was always curious to get to see EO, I certainly never wished for it. I thought that HISTA had seen better days, but was still entertaining enough, even on repeat visits (which was supposedly one of its downfalls). EO was dreadful from the first screening of the 'tribute' that refuses to end. While HISTA may not have pulled in great numbers of guests, I have to wonder how many EO gets. The last time I walked by, there were about 4 people waiting to get into the next showing. HISTA usually had at least a decent assemblage of guests; this was just sad. Though I supect that all the merchandise they're selling (and I've seen enough people wearing it to know that they are actually selling) means that it will stay a while longer, even if the attraction itself is a ghosttown.
Originally Posted By danyoung Living in Dallas I don't get out to either coast more than a couple times a year. But it's been my perception, based on my own viewings and from reading online, that attendance at the Magic Eye Theater is up both in Epcot and in DL since EO returned. I can understand some of the objections to it, and of course I wish the current Disney company had the ability to design a hot new show for these spaces. That said, I always enjoyed EO, both in its original run and in the current encore. Great show with a few flaws that make it all the more enjoyable.
Originally Posted By sjdimon <<I forgot to mention the bouncing floor. Too weird>> That was merely a side-effect of the theater having been revamped for HISTA. So many of the original Capt EO effects had been removed that they decided to take what they had and utilize it - whether it enhanced the experience (and made any sense) or not. While I understand them not adding back a lot of the effects (as this was supposed to be a QUICK and TEMPORARY "Tribute to Michael Jackson" - they did not need to use some of the HISTA effects just because they could.
Originally Posted By danyoung >... they did not need to use some of the HISTA effects just because they could.< I have to agree with this, sjdimon. It would have been cool to use the motion table for maybe the crash. But when they use it for the music, it just becomes annoying.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "having this attraction still around is a bit of an embarassment for DL" I was REALLY happy I got to see it during my recent trip to TDL, since it was gone by the time I first visited DL in 2001. It felt like I didn't miss out.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin Gosh, Everytime I go to Dland I find my self wishing the 'old people' mover was working because so often the old people are clogging up the sidewalks...
Originally Posted By Moon Waffle At this point, I don't even care if they bring back the original peoplemover. Just do SOMETHING. It's been a DECADE for goodness sake....
Originally Posted By Bellella Tell me about it. Our dear old PeopleMover track is now just a bit of the Tomorrowland deco.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The bigger question: When is Disney going to address a major Tomorrowland redo? Those tracks fall under the umbrella of whatever they intend to do with the land - overall .... So, all we can is wait, (SOME MORE!) until the co. decides to let us know, what is next for the DLR this decade. The thing I'm hoping we do not see, is a New Tomorrowland with no overhead ride, circling the land ... much in the same way the '67 PM did. That really concerns me ... and the rumor is ... that IS what the co. intends on doing. So, if anyone wants to show their support for a Tomorrowland that contains some sort of ride that mimics the '67 PM in some style ... it's time to do so NOW! If you wait around, and do nothing - expect nothing.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I can imagine that the tracks and the supports for the peoplemover, after 40+ years of wear and tear and the Rocket Rods that were never supposed to be up there, they're pretty much toasted. And would probably have to be torn down.
Originally Posted By ksargen I have to agree with Jim. Aside from that issue, there's just the general problem of having old buildings with new attractions in them, and no where else to go with it. With Buzz, ST, SM up, running, and drawing the crowds, the AO (which I so dearly wish had stayed up top!) drawing the kids and the rest in limbo, it's tough for them to talk up spending money to redo in there. The building with Starcade in it could use work, but, again, it's all interconnected in there, with not a lot of room to move around other stuff they want to keep in operation. I don't see them doing anything other than spiffing up what they've got without some major bruhaha.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo Funny how a ride, one that would probably be a B-Ticket (if Disney still had a ticketing system), is so vital to any potential Tomorrowland redo.
Originally Posted By Manfried And I guarantee only 35 people would go on the Peoplemover on a regular basis.
