Originally Posted By oc_dean I agree with Jim about the age, and wear and tear to the tracks .... but how about the rest of the land? Buzz is in a building that dates back to 1955! Star Tours queue section .. also back to 1955 - Hall of Chemistry days! (Only the simulator bay is newer - 1986) The carousel theater - 1966! R2P2 - back to 1966. Space Mountain's flanked buildings - since 1976. The P.M./Rocket Jets structure - 1966 Coke Terrace - the bandstand - also 1966. I'm sick of seeing the same old '67 Tomorrowland recycled over and over.
Originally Posted By Disney Joy Love People Movers When ever I go to WDW I may sure to ride around and around a few times. Bring IT BACK !!
Originally Posted By CDF2 Peoplemover ride makes sense if there is really something to see on it - originally it was a view inside Space Mountain for those that didn't want to stand in line to see the interior and the somewhat pleasing ride around the Autopia and Submarine area. There's nothing wrong with a relatively slow ride just for the fun of it (as witnessed by the the PM in WDW) - it lends a sense of motion or energy to the area. Condition of the track is obviously a concern but if Disney wanted to put an attraction up there they would find a way to fix it up. The bigger question which seems to loom out there is whether or not anybody at Disney really cares about the concept of Tomorrowland or would they rather just concern themselves with Star Wars or Toy Story or Nemo or Space Mountain and just come up with some kind of hodge-podge of "spacey-looking-stuff" to link those attractions together.
Originally Posted By tonyanton Perhaps the Harry Potter news will finally bring some attention and money to DL's Tomorrowland
Originally Posted By dagobert I've never been to Disneyland Anaheim, but what's wrong with Tomorrowland? Judging from pictures, it looks fine and a lot better than WDW's Tomorrowland. I'm not sure if TWDC is going to invest more money into Disneyland, since they are already expanding and improving DCA.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<I'm not sure if TWDC is going to invest more money into Disneyland, since they are already expanding and improving DCA.>> In this cass, DCA's construction budget is seperate from Disneyland's since it is a capital project and has to operate as its own business unit. Disneyland will have a completely seperate budget. It will simply be when they decide to pull that trigger which will be after DCA is complete.
Originally Posted By dagobert I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Are there plans for a new Tomorrowland?
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Are there plans for a new Tomorrowland?<< Only speculation. There have been rumors here .. and there .. I can remember as far back as 2003. WDI artists have been at this game for a decade now. The wait has gone on long enough!
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>dagobert: Judging from pictures it looks fine. Come to Anaheim .. and see for yourself - * A derelict Peoplemover track going on 11 years now. * Witness a 2 story Starcade ... but with access to the 2nd story closed off, and left in a derelict state. Do you dare to take a look at the rest of it's sorry-state on the first floor?? * Come dare ... and take a peek in Innoventions .. through it's tacky new entry ... going through the exit .. and now exiting through the entrance. Don't pay any attention to that robot turned off behind the curtain ... the great and powerful O.... Corporation has spoken! Would you like to look at a model home that you would never be able to afford to have built, in the center of Innoventions? Lets see how entertained you are with what there is on the second level! * That wet cosmic ball thingy with hedges surrounding it ... Don't ask what it is, or was .... Your sense of mystery is better off. * Up close, and in person ... the architecture may be a little disconcerting ... maybe because it's 46 years old - ? Like almost a HALF of a CENTURY?? The Space Mountain complex is no more than 10 years ahead of that. * Why does that hulking piece of metal doing on top where the Rocket Jets use to be - Just sit? We'll .. if you care enough ... perhaps you want to see it make this spin, which happens every 15 minutes - You see a few bits and pieces make a pitch down .. then up. In the darkness it's even more sad looking. A bit of music - When it's all done you'll think - And what was that all about????? Wanna take a stab at Autopia? Where the cars have rounded shapes .. like it's the 1950s? Have a little putt-putt-putt sounds .. like it's the 50s? And gas fumes .. like it's the 1950s? And drives through overgrown vegetation, which has become a thick forest .... like those old fashion ads .. of a family on a trip to Yosemite, for their Summer '57 holiday? - You'll achieve that right in the land of the FUTURE. Or is it? So .. if the aging 1967 Tomorrowland infrastructure (which is all there) is "just fine" in it's semi rotted state ...... do a Google search on Futuristic Buildings ... and you won't think Tomorrowland in Disneyland is so hot after all - and Disney in a position to be a wee bit embarrassed - to say the very least!
Originally Posted By oc_dean Oh .. did I forget a Tribute to a 25 (QUARTER CENTURY) year old film, that needs to pack up .. and leave now? Sorry about that! ;-)
Originally Posted By dagobert I didn't know that it is in such a bad condition. Maybe I will see it myself next year in fall.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The thing that is disappointing with TL in WDW ... is the renovation back in '94 ... didn't go beyond the central point where the PM station and Star Jets were. Almost zilch was done on Carousel of Progress, and the Grand Prix, and restaurant across received very little to nothing .. in terms of a new look. And it does not help that 3 cartoons secure it .. to a Toon land - Stitch, Monsters, Buzz. Both Tomorrowlands are a disaster. But the derelict PM track at DL puts it ahead of WDW's. The co. simply does not believe in the concept of Tomorrowland .. for any of it's resorts - worldwide. I'm a bit reticent for Shanghai's TL - I fear it's going to be severely lacking. But after the unprecedented fixes going on at DCA, I want to believe that the co. today realizes they cannot skimp ... and think they can leave something up for 20-30 years ... and expect huge rewards.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I didn't know that it is in such a bad condition. Maybe I will see it myself next year in fall." It really isn't in bad condition, per se. The problem is that the original "Living Blueprint of Our Future" that Walt envisioned failed (or did we fail it?). Now the area is a hodge-podge of vaguely futuristic experiences, that individually might be entertaining, but collectively form a thematic mess. This is pretty much the case with all of the Tomorrowlands, but it's especially bad at DL, WDW, and TDL. I'm hoping that in the next incarnation of the land Imagineering eschews the ridiculously dated futurism angle and goes with a more sci-fi oriented theme.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The only reason imagineering would need to go down the path of "sci-fi" would be if there's absolutely no imagination left in futuristic designs. Just this one google image page alone is enough inspiration, for imagineers to get started with some food for thought: <a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=futuristic+buildings+pictures&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=0l0l1l11609l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1200&bih=573&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=bHbyToKVD8yUiQfz68itAQ" target="_blank">http://www.google.com.au/searc...fz68itAQ</a> Going down the path of "sci-fi" is a cop out. We already have a "sci-fi" land of sorts with HKDL and WDW's Tomorrowlands - Those are two examples of a "sci-fi" type of look .. that's enough for me. The co. flagship park needs to strive for something better ... and I see no reason why they can't! What goes in the buildings .. is one thing. The overall architecture of the OUTSIDE of the entire land ... is something else.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Dean, none of the monumental buildings in the link fit within the context of theme park architecture, particularly a place with the intimate scale of DL. Rather than trying to reinvent a concept of futurism that frankly few people care about anymore, Disney should focus instead on a sustainable theme with a nod to an optimistic tomorrow that today's audiences can relate to. Science fiction, if done properly, would be just as ambitious and far more timeless than any attempt at trying to predict what the real future will be like could ever be.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I'm sick of seeing the same old '67 Tomorrowland recycled over and over." This explains why you are so virulently opposed to bringing back the People Mover.
Originally Posted By oc_dean You have a very selective memory Yookeroo, (but I would expect that from you) ... As I have many times stated I'm interested in seeing a totally new concept in something "out of this world" .. and not a repeat of the same, or near copy of the '67 design and format.
