Originally Posted By Mr X A new coaster would be neat, of course...something real good like RnRC but, as someone mentioned, it doesn't really fit anywhere (third park MGM!! ). Philharmagic would be cool in place of MicroAdventure...I assume that's on a planning board somewhere or at least should be. Personally, I always felt a peoplemover that actually connected the parks (port discovery to tomorrowland) would be real neat...I love the peoplemover and it adds so much to Tomorrowland in Orlando (and (sniff) Anaheim too way back when). Here's an awsome idea...a hybrid peoplemover/rocket rods that moves slowly through the lands but zips along between the parks (since there's nothing much to see back there anyway). If Disney/OLC goes with this idea, everyone needs to remember that I said it first...I'll need depositions for the lawsuit.
Originally Posted By Mr X Oops...sorry Bob Paris, didn't read your comments before I wrote my own. We'll just have to share the royalties, I guess.
Originally Posted By Mr X **Well, DAK doesn't have much (or should I say nothing) in the way of public transportation. They used to have the nice Discovery River Boats going around the waterways every so often, but they were removed because people found them boring.** **I guess I never missed any kind of kinetic presence in DAK because I think the vibe there is different.** Boats would be cool (never saw them in DAK as they were only around for a short time), but for the most part I agree with Bob. Don't really feel the need for kinetic stuff in DAK myself, since so much of the place is primal/remote/nature oriented (the animals provide the kinetics, I guess is what I'm trying to say).
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Guests arrive at TDR in trains for the most part. A peoplemover attraction would be pointless to them. Besides.. Japan has the most extensive system of trains, peoplemover trams, monorails, bullet trains..etc etc. They live in the future in that regard, so they really do not need a people mover in TL.
Originally Posted By land fan I dont think riding through Tomorrowland on a visual tour would be pointless to them. The Disney style People mover is unique even if the Japanese are used to different modes of modern transportation. Plus it would add some kinetic movement to the land. What if they didnt put the train ride in Frontierland and said "Forget it, the Japanese are used to riding in trains."
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Have you seen how many guests fall asleep on that train ride? They do the same in the city trains.
Originally Posted By land fan Well, how about a first class version of Rocket Rods. One that the OLC would do right. I bet that would add kinetic movement to Tomorrowland, and the guests probably wouldn't fall asleep!
Originally Posted By Roger55 Same old tired reasoning. Believe me, TDR does not need a people mover or rocket rods. As TDLFAN points out, Tokyo has one of the most extensive mass-trasit systems in the world. Besides the regular rail lines and the subways running throughout, there is also standard and suspended monorail systems. The people mover's time has come and gone a long time ago. There are a million better ways to spend development money for new attractions.
Originally Posted By land fan If there are monorails running all over Tokyo then why on earth did they put one at the resort? After all, "there are a million better ways to spend development money for new attractions." What would you like to see come to TDL? Any ideas?
Originally Posted By Roger55 >>If there are monorails running all over Tokyo then why on earth did they put one at the resort?<< 1) Because they needed a transportation system to move the Guests around the resort. It would be expecting little too much to make the Guests to walk or use bicycles to get around the resort. 2) Disney already had monorails running at DLR and WDW. A monorail system "fit" the Disney theme park blueprint. 3) Monorails take up less "footprint" on the ground and do not create a continuous barrier in comparison to a rail system. 4) Moving sidewalks would be too slow to cover the distances the monorail has to cover. >>What would you like to see come to TDL? Any ideas?<< Yeah, how about a house of the future showcasing microwave ovens, personal computing machines, large screen televisions and cordless phones?
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>If there are monorails running all over Tokyo then why on earth did they put one at the resort?<< Finally!! A very good question to answer on this particular topic!! The answer to that is quite simple: A monorail was needed at TDR for added convenience after the expansion into a "resort", and to bring TDR to standards apar with the rest of Japan. You see.. for those of us in the USA, the monorails at DLR and WDW have always been seen as "attractions", where you queue to ride and basically do not pay to get on, reason why they are considered by many as a 'must do' thing when at DLR or WDW. It's still a novelty for the guests at WDW/DLR. At TDR however, the monorail is operated like a real transportation system apar with the city train systems, it requires a fare ticket to ride, you do not need to queue in line to reach the platform, and no one will scream at you to "go all the way down" as they do at WDW. TDR Line monos operate on a very tight and posted time schedule that allows you to depend on the system to get you where you need to go within a pre-determined time parameter. If I need to be at TDL by 12noon, and am leaving the TDS station at 11:50am, I just know I will be at TDL on time because the travel time from TDS to TDL is posted as a "6 minutes ride". The time proven operation of the system is a given I can depend on as a guest in the resort. Hence the perfection of the system that mirrors the real train services in the rest of the city. Meanwhile at WDW and DLR, the monorails are a great way to get around the resort but they are not a transportation system that can be considered "dependable" if time is something of concern. For example, at WDW the chances you'll be waiting for "further traffic clearance" are high rendering that system outdated if you are in a hurry, whereas at TDR..that will never ever happen while you are on the monorail because it operates on a timetable, much like real transports do. In over 6 yrs I have been riding the TDR Line, I have never ever been stranded or delayed like I am on a recurrent basis on the WDW monorail system. Furthermore, the japanese are used to (and expect) the convenience of train services to get just about anywhere, expeditiously and on time. It was simply a matter of fullfilling that expectation of convenience that made a TDR monorail a needed commodity. To this day..new train lines are popping up in major cities in Japan..believe or not...unlike what's happening to our puny Amtrak railways. To conclude... it comes down to this: WDW/DLR monorails operate at their convenience. TDR monorails operate at the guest's convenience. BIG difference.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "Yeah, how about a house of the future showcasing microwave ovens, personal computing machines, large screen televisions and cordless phones? " SHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Don't give the WDW execs any ideas!!!! We don't need any more reasons for TDLFAN to bitch about the place! ; )
Originally Posted By land fan I knew I could get this thread going! I was just waiting for the fallout from my monorail comment!
Originally Posted By Roger55 Oh, so that is your motive for posting here...to try to bait people into responding by making a knowingly provocative statement. Duly noted.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris Calm down Roger, I think he was only joking. It's nice to see a bit of activity here from time to time and it's certainly nice to see some new faces. Always welcome!
Originally Posted By Roger55 >>Calm down Roger<< I will ignore this too coming from another new face.
Originally Posted By Mr X **Guests arrive at TDR in trains for the most part. A peoplemover attraction would be pointless to them. Besides.. Japan has the most extensive system of trains, peoplemover trams, monorails, bullet trains..etc etc. They live in the future in that regard, so they really do not need a people mover in TL.** Totally disagree. I've been on all sorts of transportation in Japan, but never anything remotely similar to the peoplemover. Besides, there is really no good attraction at TDR that lets you get around and see the parks, especially from above (unless you count the grand backstage monorail tour). I think the peoplemover would be great at TDR. **Believe me, TDR does not need a people mover or rocket rods.** If your logic stems simply from the fact that Japan has a lot of interesting transportation, then why bother to have a monorail or the two trains in the parks either? Sure you could argue that the trains are older, "period" attractions, but by the same token there are two "future" sections at TDR...no reason not to display some sort of futuristic transportation as well imo. Hey, DisneyWorld had dreamflight running even though the Concorde had been in service for years right?
Originally Posted By land fan Well said Mr. X! And lets not forget that riding in a Peoplemover high above Tomorrowland in your own private vehicle would be alot different than some every day activity like rushing to work in an over crowded subway car. It could be a nice relaxing journey through the land. And if some are concerned that it's not futuristic enough or too common place in Japan, think of it this way: Tomorrowland itself would be the ride, The Peoplemover would simply be the ride vehicle. It doesn't have to be about showcasing it as some sort new mode of transportation.
