Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Give me liberty or give me death. So far this thread it seems my fellow Americans have abandoned what millions of Americans have faught and died for. Now who's the real patriot? Remember folks, Hitler also started out as a good leader. He was elected, and popular and changed the laws. Also, I dare say a number of you supporters of the Patriot act were anti communist during the Cold War, and yet you are in favour of adopting one of the key tools of the Soviet state in the quest for security? To quote Beau - what a bunch of moonbats! And many of you think taxation is too high? Well who would pay for all the monitoring? Tax payers of course. The truth is, you cannot win a war on terrorism - look at the Ireland situation, the Middle East, etc. This is addressing only the symptoms, not the route cause. And people are questioning my intelligence for being against the so called patriot act? It's an oxymoron. Give me liberty, or give me death!
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<...which is what Blue State Republican put in his/her first post. Already we have no "hint of intelligence" if we disagree. Nice. >> Uh oh Bluestate.... one of the members of the mob has you on his watch list. You got out of line a little early in the game so look out.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy For all of you who are telling us we have lost rights to the patriot act.... Please tell us a single right YOU have lost due to Bush fighting the war on terror. You guys sure talk a lot but we never hear an answer to this for some secret reason. The war on terror has to be fought the way Bush is fighting it. Unless you want to wake up with one of our cities missing ( Frisco perhaps ), we have to stop attacks BEFORE they happen. Not after. This is the difference between the left and the right and why the libs are going to stay out of power this fall. Now... what rights have you lost?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy What gets me is that 10 jetliners were going to be blown up killing 4000 people by Muslims only last month. The plot was stopped by using, gasp.... some torture on a guy in Pakistan along with spying on emails and phone calls and inside information. Yet here we are again with the libs spreading their nonsense about losing their rights and the terrorist bill of rights. Here is a quote from a guy who gets it. You libs, especially from Minnesota and the UK should read it about 10 times. " The moral basis for our fight against terrorism is that terrorism is evil and that nothing we're doing to combat it remotely approaches that evil. Certain intellectuals, hack liberal journalists, and opportunistic Democratic politicians may flirt with the view that we risk becoming the moral equivalent of the terrorists. However, no foreign government -- democratic or otherwise -- can afford to indulge such nonsense. Not when it comes to thinking about cooperating with the U.S. to thwart, capture, or kill terrorists, and not when it comes to figuring how they themselves will treat terrorists. " Paul from Powerline
Originally Posted By vbdad55 What I loe is that I get called " glass half empty andnegative' for pointing out that 10 million jobs have been off shored ( factual statement already happened) and that many more will go -- yet to say that a nuclear atack on one of major cities is inevitable is somehow viewed differently...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Remeber the nuclear showdown with Russia ( eena limited one) was also said to be inevitable when I was younger --
Originally Posted By barboy "It's like locking your car door and leaving your windows rolled down." Tigger, I like your analogy regarding security priorities and measures around here; it's so simple and it hits the target.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Remeber the nuclear showdown with Russia ( eena limited one) was also said to be inevitable when I was younger -->> This is a totally different war than the cold war. This is much, much more dangerous. I guess it's going to take half of Chigago and Alsip to get wiped out before you get it. The cold war didn't kill 3000 Americans. This war did and we are only getting started.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<Remeber the nuclear showdown with Russia ( eena limited one) was also said to be inevitable when I was younger -->> This is a totally different war than the cold war. This is much, much more dangerous. I guess it's going to take half of Chigago and Alsip to get wiped out before you get it. The cold war didn't kill 3000 Americans. This war did and we are only getting started.< 1/ the Russian threat was sold to be evenmore serious - remember where the nuclear clock was set 2/I am not saying a threat is not real - but how can someone call it 'inevitable' yet I get called a pessimist for my view of jobs 3/ you can have Alsip
Originally Posted By BlueState_Republican I didnt mean people that didnt agree with my opinion about the patriot act were unintelligent literally. In my opinion, to not co-operate fully with homeland security is dangerous to the safety of every citizen. I think the people that are so bent on principles will perhaps change their minds when as Beau put it, "wake up and find a major city missing". Its not a matter of if, but when.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> to not co-operate fully with homeland security is dangerous to the safety of every citizen. << Have you seen 'V for Vendetta'? Cool movie, check it out.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin This quote I will post but I'm not going to tell who said it because it's telling. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." Karl Rove could have said it...but he didn't.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Have you seen 'V for Vendetta'? Cool movie, check it out.>> I have it recorded buy havn't watched it. I will give you my review.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin>> What liberties have you lost again?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip You conservatives make me nuts. If America got nuked by some Iranian terrorist we'd know EXACTLY what to do. We would invade Argentina.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy You voted for Bush RT and now you are spouting moonbat talking points. Oh how some are so easily mislead.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<You voted for Bush RT and now you are spouting moonbat talking points. Oh how some are so easily mislead.>> Beau, as I have REPEATEDLY pointed out... 1) Kerry wasn't much of a choice. 2) I didn't know then what I know now. 3) Unlike you, I don't believe that voting for a person means I need to support absolutely everything they do for the next four years. Try to remember this. It gets frustrating having to repeat it all the time. It is a simple list of three things. If you really try hard I think you can remember it.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<2) I didn't know then what I know now.>> What the hell do you know now that is so offensive to you? The entie "Bush Lied!" BS has been debunked, the economy is roaring, no Terrorist attacks in America since 9-11, many terrorsts attacks STOPPED, Plame wasn't outed, unemployment is under 5%, we are about to get out of Iraq as we turn the country over to them, gas prices are coming down. I have never seen anyone get swung back and fourth as easy as you RT. I always wonder who the people are that keep changing the opinions during polling. You are one of those guys. The liberal media LOVES people like you because you actually think what they say is real and not biased. Take your thread called " Bush lied " a few days back regarding that intellegence report saying Saddam and Al Quiada were not linked. Well, that was BS yet you still pushed the lie anyway. Why??
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The entie "Bush Lied!" BS has been debunked,>> No it hasn't. <<the economy is roaring,>> No it is not. <<no Terrorist attacks in America since 9-11, many terrorsts attacks STOPPED,>> That is true and I thank Bush and his administration for that. I don't think it has a doggoned thing to do with Iraq though. Plame wasn't outed, >> I never said she was. That never concerned me much. I figured it fell in the same class as Slick getting a little from a pretty plumper that he wasn't married to. Not a good thing to do, but not anything of real importance either.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "<<no Terrorist attacks in America since 9-11, many terrorsts attacks STOPPED,>> That is true and I thank Bush and his administration for that. I don't think it has a doggoned thing to do with Iraq though." Also, there were no terrorist attacks before 9/11 except McVeigh. Your point is?
