Originally Posted By YourPalEd As soon as everyone understands i am the most intelligent and beautiful of all human beings ever created, well as soon as they all can do that, the human race will understand true bliss, and happiness. The path to everlasting meaning, with my help, will come to all along with a new world of peace, tranquility, and exploration of space, and togetherness into the future, that comes with the proper values, of me as the world idol. Sigh..., just a wisp of a dream. It's the devil, you know, confusing them so. Yes, the devil keeps confusing them so. It's so sad to see them suffer. Some will go through life without ever realizing i was the chosen one. But enough about that, and on to the subject whatever that was again, oh yes. Keeping the spanish/indian people out of america. I think that's heartless. Obviously the only reason they want to be here is so they can tell everyone they live near me. Just look how they all want to be near me, why, hundreds of tunnels have been discovered along the mexican boarder. How about that? More tunnels than just the 3 mentioned in the news. They are desperate to meet me. Yep. These tunnels are Big enough for cars to drive through. Instead of them only being used by the riff raff low life drug dealers, and such, instead of sad unhappy people like that, who just need some help, well instead of those gun runners, people who idolize me, could be streaming towards me, where i live, and where i could do the most good, by waving and saying hi to everyone, and asking them if they are happy or not. Gee hmmm, are the people crossing the border hard workers just looking for a chance, a chance to see me? Or are they just having to work too hard to see me? I don't know. I'm only a slightly enlightened fellow, it's a long path, some higher ups have told me. anyway...what were we discussing again? Are these illegal aliens just picking through our recycle bins, making all that clinking noise with the rinsed beer bottles at daybreak? Are they doing that for cash or to wake me up, so that i can smile down from my balcony on them? No one will tell me anything. Drat, i don't mean to make people so afaid. Oh jealousy is so terrible. Well, as long as people can still leave their ipods out in the open on the front seat of their cars, then everything is fine. As long as the ipods are safe, all the little people will be able to listen to my words, and my songs, in mp3 form. Even if the crowd gets so big of people trying to see me, and meet me, miles away, they can still hear my words. Of course streaming would be better.
Originally Posted By fkurucz One thing that I find interesting is that the Sierra Club is mum on the long term impact that mass immigration will have on the environment in the US. This leads me to believe that they are more comitted to left leaning politics than to the environment itself.
Originally Posted By cmpaley No, you said that the ONLY group that would benefit from immigration reform are Mexicans. That's a lie. Numerically, yes, the predominant number of undeocumented immigrants here in the US are from Mexico. That's not what you said.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd I don't know much but i do know if someone commits a crime once, they will continue to do so until they are stopped. Having nothing and risking your life, to break someone else's laws just doesn't seem like a friendly way to say hello. It's like i got my neighbor once, he stole a stack of slates i had in my backyard and hadn't laid back down to make a path. Later i told him i saw you and your friend hop over my fence. He denied it immediately. I said, "i saw it with my own eyes." This fellow, an illegal, actually got mad at me, and said, and this is criminal bush logic for you, he actually said in his defense, and he said it in a very nasty tone, "You weren't using them." That's the attitude bush wants. He loves watching american's, well everyone, but him, get beat up, and treated with little respect. Obviously the criminals growing our crops have been stealing all the money for themselves and paying no one else anything to actually do the work. There is one answer, not a minimum wage, it's a maximum wage. We must have maximum wages declared for all corporations if they want all the benifits that the laws now give them.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I don't know much but i do know if someone commits a crime once, they will continue to do so until they are stopped.<< This I agree with. In Mexico there is a saying: "El que no tranza, no avanza". Loosely translated: Only crooks get ahead.
Originally Posted By patrickegan >>Only crooks get ahead.<< Isn't that on the wall of the RNC somewhere?>> No, the Clinton Library!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Hillary has it engraved on the inside ofher wedding ring.... white water...white water.....
Originally Posted By patrickegan That racism excuse is bunk. These aren’t the same immigrants that made up your fathers melting pot. They came here legally where tested for disease (i.e. TB) had to have money or a sponsor, learned the language and assimilated. Today we are being overrun by people who’s low wages are backend supported by what’s left of the working class. The guy hiring illegal aliens or goods and services supplied by companies that hire illegals are involved in exploitation. How any bleeding heart commie leaning lib can exploit the proletariat and yet whine about how mean the right wingers are is nothing less then a hypocrite!
Originally Posted By YourPalEd You know something i've noticed is that women are truely taking over a lot of the jobs normally done by men. All my men friends do not have to work. Once you take care of the basics you can play all you want. Playing for my friends has always been, looking for bargains, figuring computers and other toys out, and figuring out why things are, and how they work. I know if i really need money, i could get a job anywhere in the world, typing, reading, talking, anything. I honestly think these women were fooled by tv to think they wanted to own expensive useless items, to place in huge houses, that suck in all your money. To maintain the clean kitchen fantasy costs money, so they have to work. Not because they want to, like before, when men ignorantly took care of them, no, now they do it out of necessity, otherwise their fantasy's disappear and they have to face reality. One thing i have learned by having someone as heartless as bush in the presidency, and that is, life is precious and you should keep moving and try to enjoy yourself. There are now masses of people on this earth, and things will run out, everyone knows it will run out a lot sooner than the tv says. I honestly think trimming, and giving to others might be the best way to make a happier party. I mean this is a party, we are all here together, everyone else is already dead, or not born yet. Have fun.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>These aren’t the same immigrants that made up your fathers melting pot. They came here legally where tested for disease (i.e. TB) had to have money or a sponsor, learned the language and assimilated.<< I've always believed that a half-truth is worse than a lie. This is one of those insidious half-truths masquerading as a full-truth...typical of the extreme right-wing. "Back in the day," people merely had to show up at an immigration check point (like Ellis Island), register an submit to a quick medical exam, an interview, have $20. If you passed the exam, you were admitted. If you failed, you were quarantined and then admitted. The rejection rate was less than 5%. Sponsorship didn't become an issue until the Immigration and Nationality Act in the 1950's. What has changed is that it's extremely difficult to immigrate to the United States and all but impossible for those from Latin America. Under today's laws, the only ways to immigrate are to be already rich (a Republican fave!), have close family (spouses, children, siblings) already here legally, preferably citizens, (which many on the extreme right want to eliminate) have have a very high skilled job waiting for you (which, if you lost, you're immediately deported..it's not true immigration, just a little stay). Oh, and the other way to enter is to win a rarer-than-a-Papal-Tiara spot in the immigration lottery, which many countries are not allowed to particiapte in, one of which is Mexico (I have verified this information). What hasn't changed is the anti-immigration sentiment. It used to be the Irish or the Italians. Now it's the Meskins. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Originally Posted By patrickegan You’re right about half truths, the point was the followed the law! Both my Irish and Italian immigrant great grand parents had sponsors.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Following the law is tantamount. I think america should also work with the mexican government to create higher standards, in water, and sewage systems. Is there anyway we could work together like that as two seperate governments. I wonder.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>I think america should also work with the mexican government to create higher standards, in water, and sewage systems. Is there anyway we could work together like that as two seperate governments. I wonder.<< I believe that this is KEY to improving the situation. Mexico is a beautiful country filled with wonderful people. The problem is that unchecked chrony capitalism has ruled this country for far too long. It's time to change our government to one that can actually be actively engaged with others (plays well with others) and work with the Mexican authorities to see that country change for the better.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^^That assumes that the oligarch's that rule Mexico want things to change.
Originally Posted By cmpaley That the PRI is no longer in charge (a great example of one-party rule, by the way...and an example of why we need to get the Republicans out of control of at least one house of congress this coming election) is testament to the fact that things are slowly starting to change down south. Now if we can get a government here that actually believed in talking to people instead of threatening them, perhaps we can get something done for the better down there.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd There is no reason to change anything but our value systems. I think there must be a way to explain to the people ruling mexico, and get them to understand that clean water is better for them, and their families too. Clean water and sewage is not just good for that hypothetical group of mexicans out there. Better sewage will bring less disease for the rulers too. The rulers, their families, and the poor, all benifit by clean water and sewage treatment plants. The poor will suddenly have their wealth doubled and they will love their leaders. Their wealth is that of their health. As we all know, better health is the most you can get from your money. Nothing is worth as much as your life.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>That the PRI is no longer in charge is testament to the fact that things are slowly starting to change down south<< True, but the PRD controls the congress and are jockeying for a Presidential runoff between AMLO and Calderon. The only reason Calderon won (by 200K votes) is because the leftist vote was split between the PRD and the PRI. If AMLO gets his runoff (sans PRI candidate Madrazo), he will easily beat Calderon.
