Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan He stays in his own clubhouse to hurl insults and doesn't have anyone to call him on his nonsense. << Limbaugh was once similarly humiliated on ABC's Nightline years ago. He came off looking very bad and ill-informed as Ted Koppel went Chris Matthews on him, refuting a lot of his nonsense., which left El Rushbo sputtering. That's why you don't see him on TV a lot (plus his own TV shows crashed and burned) -- he isn't good at debating at all -- he's good at delivering his schtick to dittoheads who adore him.
Originally Posted By planodisney I dont get it? Why do liberals get so angy about Rush, Hannity or any of the other Conservative media types? Why isnt their website after website committed to hating olberman or Rachel Maddow or any of the other liberal media people. Why so much anger and worry from the left. While we get somewhat annoyed by these guys, we dont obsess about and feel the need to demonise them at every opportunity. We have different oppinions and not everybody will like you. Get over it!!!!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Last I checked, no one on the left questioned someone's patriotism for disagreeing with them, for starters. Kinda hard to get over some yahoo who says you're unpatriotic if you don't see things his way.
Originally Posted By planodisney Do I need to make a list of names and assertions cast upon people believing in the conservative philosophy?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Do I need to make a list of names and assertions cast upon people believing in the conservative philosophy?<< Yes. You also really need to cut down on the number of exclamation points you use in a sentence.
Originally Posted By ecdc Sorry - I forgot the obligatory at the end of that sentence. I wasn't trying to be as snotty as it sounded.
Originally Posted By dshyates To say left doesn't have a noise machine is disingenuous. I don't count the Internets, because you can find anything on the www. But here is my take. First, I'm a flaming liberal. But WV liberal isn't even in the same ballpark as SF liberal. I used to watch MSNBC fairly regularly in the mix with CNN and BBC. During this primary season MSNBC started to stop pretending to be unbiased. And after the Shuster/Pimp issue they have gone full on Obama. I can no longer consider them news. They are part of the Left wing noise machine. They are now truly FOX's counterpoint. And I don't watch either because its disinformation and biased analysis. And the thing that really proves it to me is how, on air, they keep lobbing bombs at each other by name. Particularly the Bill O'Really?/Kieth Ubermee feud. That's just smug vs. smug if I've ever seen it. But in the AM radio arena, the right definitely has a head start. Left radio is growing, but they are about 15 years behind in talent development. But talk radio on both sides is just party Cheer leading and stroking your audiences egos by telling them how smart they are because they are not "them". Then throw in a big dose of explaining how the other side thinks. Which is always the most extreme example of anyone that claims to be part of that party. If not a flat out lie. An example: Liberalism IS NOT socialism anymore than conservativism is fascism. Yes, on the political spectrum liberalism is closer to socialism than conservativism is. And yes, conservativism is closer to fascism than liberalism is. But the lie is when Hillary says she wants socialised healthcare, Rush says what she really wants is to take all your money, issue you food stamps and provide a store where you can spend those food stamps on Gov't Cheese. When what she really wants is to keep families from going bancrupt when their kid breaks a leg, without have to pay some big insurance company $600/month. Hillary is right in that insurance companies are going to break this contry if the oil companies don't do it first.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Why isnt their website after website committed to hating olberman" Most of the Keith "Hate" I found was blogs, but I did like this site. <a href="http://koandthesmallpenis.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://koandthesmallpenis.blogspot.com/</a>
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>You do realize that right-wing talk radio is far more pervasive and listened to than left-wing talk radio, no?<< But the so-called "noise machine" doesn't simply consist of radio talkers. >>Rather than respond to that, Dug invented this notion that I'd said James was a spokesperson for the party.<< No, I responded directly to this assertion in the OP: >>This couldn't be a more perfect example of the Republican noise machine. Kevin James (not the actor) just keeps yelling and repeating himself over and over, looking more and more foolish.<< What I said was: >>If Kevin James (of whom this Republican had never heard) were even remotely a spokesman for the GOP, I would agree that he would lead the "NOISE" machine.<< The charge is that James is part of the Republican noise machine. My response was to indicate he is in no way affiliated with the Republican party, as a spokesman or otherwise. If the charge had been leveled that he was part of the conservative noise machine, I would have had no argument, and doubtless would have skipped this thread altogether. But as a Republican, I am only too happy to disavow hapless ninnies, no matter how popular or highly rated they may be.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan The radio station that airs Mr. James' show has the slogan: Intelligent. Conservative. Talk Radio. Well, two out of three ain't bad.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan This sums it all up with a nice, bright bow, I think... >>The Kevin James take down may prove to be a pivotal event in the history of talk radio. Conservative talkers have complained for years that the mainstream media ignore them. But almost every time one of these benighted morons is allowed into a real world debate they make a fool of themselves. Without the power of screeners who filter out intelligent adversaries and the hang up button to eliminate a caller who might be winning a point the majority of talk radio hosts are like overturned tortoises. Talk radio and cable have become a Barcalounger for the loony right causing it to grow intellectually fat and lazy. The movement exists in a hermetically sealed echo chamber where conservative truths are believed to be self evident. New information that might challenge this highly distorted world view burns up on re-entry into a self-created and sustained universe. In a fair fight these yahoos simply don’t have a chance. Shouting, which most of them resort to doesn’t make demonstrably wrong things true. James will no doubt return to his evening roost in Los Angeles and explain to his devoted fans that he was ambushed by a liberal in an orchestrated plot to eliminate a conservative who has become too big a threat to the mainstream media’s control of the truth. But any reasonable person knows Kevin James is a man so lacking in his knowledge of history and reason as to be unworthy of a microphone and an audience.<< <a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/05/18/john-moore-on-kevin-james-and-the-sorry-state-of-talk-radio-talking-themselves-to-death.aspx" target="_blank">http://network.nationalpost.co...ath.aspx</a>
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>The movement exists in a hermetically sealed echo chamber where conservative truths are believed to be self evident. New information that might challenge this highly distorted world view burns up on re-entry into a self-created and sustained universe.<< Too true, which is the reason I really don't listen to these guys. I know who the ones at the top are because their latest utterances are constantly excerpted in main stream media. This guy (Kevin James) I've never heard of before, and it's unlikely we will hear of him again. His 15 minutes are up. (And that's a reference to something Andy Warhol once said, which I doubt Mr. James would be able to recall live and on the air, either.)
Originally Posted By friendofdd Re post #51, 2ooney why have you taken to quoting Canadian papers???!!!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Sorry. I've been like this since visiting the Canada pavilion at Epcot last month. I'll try and cut that oot.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Obama has fired back on Bush's comments, pointing out that Nixon met with Mao and JFK met with Krushchev.> Of course, Obama either forgot or doesn't realize that JFK's meeting with Krushchev was a disaster that led to the Cuban missile crisis. And Nixon's meeting with Mao wasn't without preconditions.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 >>You do realize that right-wing talk radio is far more pervasive and listened to than left-wing talk radio, no?<< <But the so-called "noise machine" doesn't simply consist of radio talkers.> True, but it's the component normally meant by "noise machine" because, well, it's the noisiest. It's also a necessary component of the "echo chamber" effect in which talk radio is echoed by Fox News, which is echoed by conservative bloggers. Liberals can only dream of having their talk radio "leg" of the three-legged stool as sturdy - right now it just isn't, so their "echoes" tend to die out a lot quicker. <Without the power of screeners who filter out intelligent adversaries and the hang up button to eliminate a caller who might be winning a point the majority of talk radio hosts are like overturned tortoises. > LOL! Gotta love the overturned tortoises visual.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>True, but it's the component normally meant by "noise machine" because, well, it's the noisiest. It's also a necessary component of the "echo chamber" effect in which talk radio is echoed by Fox News, which is echoed by conservative bloggers.<< Wow. I had no idea the noise machine was so finely tuned. I have always thought of talk radio as a conservative ghetto, just as publishing is a liberal ghetto. Since only the right tunes into the hyperventilated talkers, and only the left reads (yeah, yeah), wouldn't the "echo chamber" effect tend to lead to feedback?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The intended effect of the echo chamber, it is said, is so that one hears the same phrases and talking points over and over to the point where they take on the ring of truth, true or not. It is said to be especially effective if one sees/hears the same stuff across multiple media (radio, TV, internet).
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>one hears the same phrases and talking points over and over to the point where they take on the ring of truth, true or not<< Leading some hosts well out of their depth, on subjects such as Neville Chamberlain. Like parrots, they can only squawk "appeasement!" with no concept of the reference.
