Originally Posted By dshyates Yes, you called them a constant sore. Says so right there. "Constant sore". Thats all I need to know.
Originally Posted By planodisney x-san, you got me my friend. I need to take more time with my posts, particularly without and edit feature. Most of the time I am racing to post something. Good come back, and I knew I would find that retort when I came back. However, my original point still stands.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Would the way the 24/7 news nets, the Dems in Congress, and the internets all simultaneously began chattering about how Bush's speech to the Knesset was really all about Obama be an example of the noise machine? Hmm?> It could be, but in this instance was not, as a). right wing outlets like Fox were instantly chatting about this too, and b). journalists with good reputations have said that white house sources who asked to be anonymous initially told them it was a reference to Obama; later they said it was not, of course; c). Republicans including McCain were just as quick to jump on Bush's statements to agree with them and lump in Obama as the Democrats were to criticize them.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <But if you read it again, it is very clear that he did not call Israel the things you claimed he did.> I've read it multiple times, and it's still not clear. But it doesn't surprise me that you think it is. <"The lack of a resolution" you see, is the subject here, not Israel.> Yes, in that sentence, Israel is "the problem". <"No, no, no. But the constant sore of race relations in this country, unresolved in some places and with too many incidents of racist activity still going on, does hold infect our economy and keeps the American dream out of reach for too many."> That's a false analogy. In order to be similar to what the Senator said, you'd have to leave out the phrase "of race relations in this country", and change the first "the" to "this". "No, no, no. But this constant sore, unresolved in some places and with too many incidents of violence, irresponsibility, and intolerance, does infect our economy and keeps the American dream out of reach for too many." Did I call black people a "constant sore" in that statement? Or did I say that unresolved racial issues are a constant sore?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Did I call black people a "constant sore" in that statement?<< Nope. And Senator Obama certainly did not call Israel "a constant sore" or anything of the kind as you charged. Think about it -- why on earth would any candidate in this country say something like that, knowing it would be political suicide even IF they felt that way? Answer: They would not. Obama makes it quite clear what he meant. If you are still having trouble understanding what he meant, and what his position on the matter is, you need to read it a few more times. Because, really, it's very clear.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Or did I say that unresolved racial issues are a constant sore?<< The statement you rewrote needs more context (and Obama's did), but even without it, I wouldn't assume you were saying black people were a constant sore in that statement. People generally aren't referred to as "unresolved" -- issues are. I think you know exactly what Senator Obama meant, but for some reason hope to foster confusion or find some embarassing ill intent that simply isn't there.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>People generally aren't referred to as "unresolved"...<< There's a rather determined lady from New York who seems rather unresolved. Or delusional.
Originally Posted By dshyates It is real important to not just read the statement and what follows, but it becomes even clearer that he is refer to the "conflict. In the sentance preceeding the constant sore statement Obama says, "Israel and the Palestinians have tough issues to work out to get to the goal of two states living side by side in peace and security." When asked if Israel besmirches the United States' reputation, Obama said "No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable. I am absolutely convinced of that ... I want to solve the problem..."
