Originally Posted By DAR <<"Have any proof to back up these claims." Talk to Kanye West!>> Yeah he's reliable.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I don't see how calling anyone a racist is the least bit entertaining.*** You've never seen "All in the Family"?
Originally Posted By mawnck ***I don't see how calling anyone a racist is the least bit entertaining.*** Then what are you doing in World Events?
Originally Posted By barboy Many years back Showtime had this comedy show called Bizarre hosted by comedian John Byner. And Bizarre commonly had this skit, "The bigots", which was some of the funniest dialogue I have ever seen: drunk Irish, greasy Italian, pimp like black, Mexican man and a dumb Polock all teasing each other.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder My point is that the right wants to excuse Beck's piss poor behavior by saying he's a comic, he's an entertainer. They say essentially the same about Limbaugh and they're dead wrong on both counts. When these two gas bags speak out it's because they're attempting to preach to the choir and generate exposure for their sorry selves. It's not entertaining, it's not productive and overall it's harmful for the rest of us because there's a certain ignorant segment of people out there that eat up every bit of throw up these guys produce, and then they act on it. If this is how "political discourse" is going to be had for the next several, people like this better not whine and cry when the left finally has enough and fights back.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Pass...didn't a certain comedian who did basically the same thing for the liberal (including a stint on Air America) just become a Congressman?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Pass...didn't a certain comedian who did basically the same thing for the liberal (including a stint on Air America) just become a Congressman?" This assumes some things- none of which are true. 1) that I endorse Franken, 2) that Franken behaved in a constant reckless manner and then hid behind the "but I'm a comedian!" skirt and 3) that there's really any real comparison between Al Franken and Glenn Beck professionaly in any capacity. Finally, Glenn Beck doesn't have nearly any the kind of courage or balls necessary to put himself out there and run for office.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Pass...didn't a certain comedian who did basically the same thing for the liberal (including a stint on Air America) just become a Congressman?*** Comparative examples, please?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper What in my sentence makes it seem as if to say that I think you endorsed Franken? I don't even know where you live. If either one of you thinks that Glenn Beck is the same person off air as he is on you are on crack. The reason the "stars" are stars is that they understand their audience and give them what they want.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "What in my sentence makes it seem as if to say that I think you endorsed Franken? I don't even know where you live." Then why even bring him up? He's got no relevance to Glenn Beck, none. "If either one of you thinks that Glenn Beck is the same person off air as he is on you are on crack. The reason the "stars" are stars is that they understand their audience and give them what they want." You're missing the point about the Beck criticism. Who cares what he's like off-mike? It's what he does on the air that makes him so wrong.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper He is an entertainer. In fact, I would categorize MOST of today's top "newspeople" as entertainers instead of true deliverers of the news. You don't like him? Don't watch him. I can't stand Wolf Blitzer and I don't watch him. All I hear about entertainers these days and their effects on society is that we shouldn't blame them for our ills. A pop starlet dresses like a whore? Our kids dress like whores. Well, there certainly CAN'T be a connection. A sports star does steroids and our kids do steroids. Well, sports stars aren't role models so we CAN'T blame them. Yet, you blame Beck for behaving in a reckless manner. Do we have free speech in America or do we not? Assuming we do then I have to tune out Wolf...you have to tune out Glenn and we can't get bogged down in what everyone else is doing.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Who says we can't hold celebrities accountable for modeling bad behavior? I didn't sign off on that. I think ultimately people are responsible for their own actions. But I also know that whipping people into a lather night after night is not responsible behavior. It is something other than entertainment. Sure, Beck and the others are free to say what they want, and we're free to tune them out. But we're also free to call them on it when they say something we object to. Beck (and the others) doesn't get to have it both ways. He can't bleat and bray at the moon night after night, fostering fear and distrust and paranoia and then be totally blameless when the anger he is helping whip up turns ugly... or worse. If he is doing all of this and, as you say, doesn't really believe a word of what he says, that makes it all the worse.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I didn't say he doesn't believe a word he says. I'm saying that he and Rush exaggerate for their audiences, to great success I might add. Actually, I didn't sign off on celebrities getting by with bad behavior either but any time I have that type of a conversation (movies/video games/celebrities) having a bad impact on society I get shot down. "People/parents should be responsible for themselves/their children." I hear it all the time. I absolutely think we should be free to call him and all of them on it.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>he and Rush exaggerate for their audiences<< Well, that is true. Like politicians, these guys are all trying to come up with a clever quip or outrageous statement to get noticed. Ann Coulter built a career on this.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper As a Conservative I'm not really proud of Rush, Coulter and Beck being the "faces" of the party right now. But, I'm certainly not about to blame the for all of the ills we are experiencing either. In the absence of true leadership people will gravitate to just about anything. There is no real leadership in the party right now and that is painfully obvious. Just the fact that Palin is still talked about is sad enough.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Like politicians, these guys are all trying to come up with a clever quip or outrageous statement to get noticed. >> Welcome to America in the 2000's
Originally Posted By DAR Actually this was predicted years ago that anybody will do anything to get famous. That news will just become entertainment. That essentially we will watch anything to be entertained. And in the past we had two movies one a serious Oscar winner the other an Arnold action flick seem different from the outset, but Network and the Running Man don't seem that crazy to me now.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "As a Conservative I'm not really proud of Rush, Coulter and Beck being the "faces" of the party right now. But, I'm certainly not about to blame the for all of the ills we are experiencing either." Then own up to the fact he's not an entertainer. He's a piss poor political commentator, and a cowardly one at that, who hides behind the cheap skirt of "I'm an entertainer" when says or does something asinine. Diito for Limbaugh.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder And I don't watch Beck. But I do get tired of him popping up on other shows I do watch because he's yet again coming down with diarrhea of the mouth.
Originally Posted By Mr X How about him popping up on other threads you do read? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGeZQrpZbjI&feature=PlayList&p=CAFDCBC79AE3EC21&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...&index=2</a> This is great stuff here...he sounds like a 3 year old. If you want to skip the rest, you can hear the temper tantrum in full force at 3:15 - 3:33, but the lead up is pretty classic too.
