Originally Posted By donnyaz "It is not enriched and cannot be used without first going through a complicated enrichment process" Iran has done it and so could have Iraq.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Great. Let's put this country further into bankruptcy by warmongering with Iran.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<POST 36 "What bothers me, though, are the things Bush very much meant to say, like the Sept. 11/Iraq conflations, which he said many times very deliberately (as did Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, et al).">> <If you think Iraq had no WMD's read this from CNN> First of all, what Sport Goofy said. Second, don't try to move the goalpost. What Bush said was that the "same people" responsible for 9/11 were in Iraq. Purely false. Though apparently, we're at a very ironic place, considering the original post: “You *can* fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”
Originally Posted By donnyaz I will agree that Iraq had little to nothing to do with 911 but you have to agree that the entire middle east is one big disfunctional family that help and hurt each other.If I had it my way we would have invaded Saudi Arabia
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Haha the Obama quotes are pretty funny too. ""I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." --after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008 (Obama later called Nancy Reagan to apologize)" This wasn't a gaffe, it was an intentionally funny joke. He shouldn't have apologized. I laughed out loud.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 If you'd had your way, you'd have INVADED the holiest land in all of Islam, when just stationing our troops there - at the invitation of the Saudi government, mind you - was enough to turn us into the #1 enemy in the eyes of bin Laden and thousands of other radical Islamists (prior to that, bin Laden had been our ally against the Soviets). Somehow, I'm glad you're not in charge. But at least you seem to acknowledge that Bush's lies are worse than Obama's (or Bush's own) gaffes.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Obama has had gaffes, but they are outweighed by his ridiculously good speeches. There's the one on race and the one when he accepted his Nobel Peace Prize. Maybe Obama has better writers than Bush did!
Originally Posted By Mr X ***57 states is not a jaw dropper ?????*** Hardly. It's obvious he meant to say forty-seven, with one more to go. He went on to explain that he couldn't make it to Alaska and Hawaii and so his comment about "all of them" referred to the continental U.S., which would, surprise, come out to 48 states. The thing about that gaffe is, it isn't really even that funny. I realize that right-wingers want to point there and say "see! he's a dummy!", but it doesn't jive with their simultaneous "he's an elitist intellectual from Harvard!" meme...in the case of Bush, nobody, and I mean NOBODY, was claiming that he was some sort of gifted, above the fray intellectual. So that list of Obama quotes is just uninspired and not amusing, but I suppose it could appeal to the simple minded rednecks out there who need to have something to bitch about.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>the entire middle east is one big disfunctional family that help and hurt each other.<<< When it comes to social projects you could insert the words United States replacing middle east, and that could be accurate too? Ever been to the Middle East or studied it Donny? It is not all like that, just pockets.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo And why would you invade Saudi? Invading a sovereign nation without security council approval is illegal and a war crime. But it wouldn't have been Bush's 1st time in that arena. Just because Bin Laden was Saudi does not mean the whole country is evil. It is like judging the US based on the actions of Timothy McViegh.
Originally Posted By ecdc While I'm not really that interested in revisiting George W. Bush's many (MANY) failures, I do think it's comical that people immediately jump to his defense by saying "Obama's had problems too!" All Presidents have their problems, their gaffes, their failures, etc. But such an approach is naive at best, foolish thinking at worst. Why not compare Warren G. Harding to Lincoln and insist they're the same? Don't we all have a sense that some Presidents are better than others? Don't we have a sense that there are some Presidents most of us agree are among the best, and some we agree are among the worst? Why then, is it such a shock that people would evaluate Bush and rank him? Or criticize him? And as Dabob2 pointed out, Dave's quotes reflect the disastrous ideology Bush hoisted upon us with equally disastrous results. Obama hasn't even been in office a year yet, and while the jury's still out on how some things will work out, it couldn't be clearer that his approach to the world is much more intelligent and effective than Bush's.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>The basic gist of this topic is well you're guy makes mistakes too.<< No, the basic gist of this topic is all mistakes are the same. So if my garbage man misses my house for a week it's the same as if my surgeon slips and cuts my femoral artery. Noted.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>" Obama has had gaffes, but they are outweighed by his ridiculously good speeches. There's the one on race and the one when he accepted his Nobel Peace Prize. Maybe Obama has better writers than Bush did!"<<< Maybe-but it is a fact that O certainly has more teleprompters.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Teleprompter or not, he is a heck of a good orator. I don't have to like his policies but he is an impressive speaker.
Originally Posted By dlkozy But if O uses the word unprecedented again, I think I will throw up. Maybe his writers could spend a little time searching for another word since they have worn unprecedented out. >>>"WASHINGTON, Nov. 25 (UPI) -- The Obama White House's use of the word "unprecedented" may itself be unprecedented, the Washington publication Politico reported Wednesday. President Barack Obama began his term using the term in his first weekly radio and Internet address, saying, "We begin this year and this administration in the midst of an unprecedented crisis that calls for unprecedented action." Since then, the publication says, the White House issued "declaration after declaration of 'unprecedented' milestones," some of which, Politico asserted, are "legitimate firsts," such as his May online town hall at the White House. But others are merely technicalities while some "clearly already have precedents," it said."<<<
