Originally Posted By ecdc >>Congratulations on your moral and intellectual superiority.<< Finally he acknowledges it! This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of Douglas, and will soon see the end of the Republicans.
Originally Posted By DAR <<And BTW, while I really admire DAR for evaluating some comments and changing his perspective, even before he did that at least his position made sense and fit within his own moral framework, even though I disagreed. DAR made it clear he doesn't care one iota about these guys and doesn't feel bad if they're tortured. Frankly, it's a position I'm sympathetic to. My issue was about the efficacy of it and our own morality. Even if he hadn't changed his perspective and explained why he feels like it's still moral, I'd disagree but could respect him because it made sense. DAR's position had far more integrity than this current neocon semantics and moral ambiguity game>> Thanks I'll do best to maintain my new view on the wrongheadedness of tortuing these prisoners. Besides, dead is the preferable option.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I think it's unwise to rule out harsh interrogation techniques, or even torture, in all circumstances.<< It's probably unwise to give criminals the right to a trial, too. I'm sure some guilty guys get away because we're such softies. It is amazing that one who fears government becoming too capricious would seem to want to give them carte blanche in terms of torture, secret prisons, you name it. As long as the administration in charge is GOP, of course. Oh, and so long as they're "pretty damn sure". Yeah, there was a little snark in that one, wasn't there? Oh well.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I really have no idea what possessed me to quote Star Wars.> Obviously there's a little Sith Lord inside you.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Yeah, there was a little snark in that one, wasn't there?> And distortion as well. But who cares, right? After all, "Yours is the superior intellect".
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Obviously there's a little Sith Lord inside you.<< As long is it's that cool episode 4 Sith Lord and not that whiney, boo hoo I have bad dreams Sith Lord in episode 3.
Originally Posted By DAR I know it's an extreme position to take, but somedays I think if the entire Middle East were made into a desert it would eliminate about 80% of the world's problems.
Originally Posted By piperlynne >><Agree with this one.> Well, I agree with both. I think it's unwise to rule out harsh interrogation techniques, or even torture, in all circumstances.<< So you also agree that the President has to take responsibility for allowing those things to take place and they need to be reviewed?
Originally Posted By piperlynne >>I know it's an extreme position to take, but somedays I think if the entire Middle East were made into a desert it would eliminate about 80% of the world's problems.<< Isn't it already a desert?
Originally Posted By DAR <<As long is it's that cool episode 4 Sith Lord and not that whiney, boo hoo I have bad dreams Sith Lord in episode 3.>> He was more bad ass in Episode 5.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <As long is it's that cool episode 4 Sith Lord and not that whiney, boo hoo I have bad dreams Sith Lord in episode 3.> Of course.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But who cares, right? After all, "Yours is the superior intellect".<< As long as we both keep that in mind, Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <As long as we both keep that in mind, Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.> You might want to consider the circumstances under which the line I used was given before thinking that.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan And you'll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life. Now kiss me, and get on that plane.
Originally Posted By ecdc I have a feeling this is that long-lost ending where Elsa pulls out a gun, reveals she's a Nazi spy, and shoots Rick in the face.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***"Oh it's not torture, but even if it is, at least it's not bad torture. Oh, and it saves lives. You guys don't want to save lives. Traitors. What's that? The people doing it say it doesn't work as effectively as traditional methods? [Fingers in ears] La la lalalalalalalala! I'm not listening! Oh, here's a link to National Review that says it does work. They know more than the people doing the torture. Why are you insulting the CIA? Don't you love America? I guess you don't. You like seeing our soldiers dragged burning through the streets. That's a shame. I guess I just love America more than you."*** For some reason this reads in my head like Glen Beck's voice.
