Originally Posted By Mr X ***thanks man - seriously. I know I seem permanently cranky here sometimes beating the same drum- but really this is all I wanted to hear. I looked at John McCain as not a perfect candidate - but acceptable to be sure ( when this started) - and held out all hopes that Joe Lieberman would be the running mate.*** No problem. And I hear you, I really do. As for McCain, just so disappointed for the two obvious reasons, his capricious choice of Palin and his overwhelmingly nasty attacks on his opponent. Other than that, I've always liked and respected the guy.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The "Wasilla Hillbillies" line originated when a comment was made about expenditures made for other Palin family members, mainly her husband Todd. >>One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast,"<< Well .. to my own credit .. I made the call on a suit he wore on a recent rally. A few days before this mini story. As this area is my career .... There was one specific feature on it that gave it away to being a fairly expensive suit by British designer: Paul Smith And then I put Paul Smith together .. and Neiman Marcus (who sells "Paul Smith" suits) ..and this is the exact suit he wore - about $1300. Your average high-end suit: <a href="http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod63620082&cmCat=search&searchType=MAIN&parentId=" target="_blank">http://www.neimanmarcus.com/st...arentId=</a>
Originally Posted By oc_dean Now in the Men's Suits world .. this is your "average" price. If you want to go hog-wild ... One could step into an exclusive boutique like Canali or Ermenegildo Zegna and spend 2,000 to 3,000 easily for an off-the-rack suit .. or go Made-to-Measure for another grand or two. But being only "first dude" and staying behind the scenes as he did ... I think Mens Wearhouse (average price $350) or Macys (average price $600) would have been enough.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Aren't you all glad we don't have to hear "first DUDE" ANYMORE?!! :0) ACK! Gag me with a spoon!
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <discussing the VP candidate's lack of qualifications or aptitude isn't "liberal spin". . . you're criticizing US for participating in a thread that's critical of Palin.> No, I'm criticizing you for bashing Gov Palin based on hearsay. <If you want to start a thread bashing biden, go right ahead> But I don't want to. I'd like to have intelligent discussions about ideas and issues and strategy. I haven't used derogatives to describe Senators Obama or Biden, and you won't find me bashing Pres Obama. That would be petty. Your side won. Show a bit more grace in victory than you showed in defeat.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains <<Your side won. Show a bit more grace in victory than you showed in defeat.>> You know like Josh and Elder are doing!!! While I agree with you in principle DouglasDub... I think when she went on SNL and poked fun at herself, she opened the door...
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Douglas, don't confuse gaffes with ignorance.> I'm not the one doing that. <Presumably, Douglas and others don't think he's conservative because he dislikes Bush and because he's gay.> No, I don't think he's conservative because he doesn't espouse conservative ideas and criticize liberal ones. No one who is truly conservative could endorse Senator Obama for President. There's simply nothing conservative about him.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <And here's another example of a right winger throwing John McCain under the bus. Nicely done, Doug.> I did nothing of the kind.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>No one who is truly conservative could endorse Senator Obama for President.<< What if they found the VP choice so repellant they felt they had little choice? I'm not talking about this backstage gossip by unnamed sources. I mean her awful performance in interviews with national media, and her curious ideas reagrding the role of a vice president. What if a conservative felt, that in the best interest of the country, Obama was the lesser of two evils? Would they not still be a true conservative?
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>What if a conservative felt, that in the best interest of the country, Obama was the lesser of two evils? Would they not still be a true conservative?<< It was the difference of Republicans who choose common sense and "the right thing to do". It was amazing watching major (staunch!) Republicans coming out .. endorsing Obama. Their LOGIC and INTELLIGENCE told them what was best! McCain bringing in the inexperienced Palin was IT.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <if the GOP continues to cater to the far right> Yes, of course, because each President since Ronald Reagan has gotten further and further right. The Republicans nominated a moderate, who appointed a conservative. I'll admit there are conservatives, especially social conservatives, who are a little too far right for my tastes, but Gov Palin isn't one of them, despite the efforts of many to paint her as one. The Democrats, on the other hand, have some members that are way far left, but always seemed to get overlooked by many posters here. And they nominated a pretty extreme liberal, who appointed another liberal. So I just don't get why it's the Republicans who need to move to the center. I embrace conservativism, not because it's popular, but because I think it's principle are the best way to run our nation. If the American people really want liberal policies, then that's fine. I personally think they'll be bad for the country, and the pendulum will soon swing right again. But please don't kid yourself that the Republicans are catering more to the far right than the Democrats are catering to the far left. It simply isn't so.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The way I look at it ... the far right did so much damage for so long... it's going to take the far left to repair it .... and once the fixes are done ... somewhere in the middle will be fine. But it will take years to reach that. So I hope the far right realizes what they've done .. and what it will take to repair some of their "boo-boos".
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I don't believe it was the right that caused the problems we're now in, and I don't believe the left can solve them. But I guess we'll see.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Palin no redeeming qualities. None. Bashing her is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Oooh, ooh, gratuitous personal attack. But I'll take that as a compliment coming from you.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Are there people on this board who actually are still defending Sarah Palin? I just figured at this point .... (anyone who has followed the news) fully realizes by this point ... Palin was a bad choice for VP. And I put that lightly!
Originally Posted By oc_dean And speaking of "news" ... of course .. it depends on where you get it. I think of one lying, twisting news organization - Fox news! Who talks "junk" .. and people buy into it as 'truth'. I, so hope, the Fairness Doctrine is put back into place - After that idiot Reagan de-regulated it. Republicans just love "De-regulation." Too much!
Originally Posted By mawnck <------plans to lay off Sarah Palin from now on. Unless they find out more funny stuff about her.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The main objective has been accomplished. Obama won. We can relax now. She's nowhere's near that "heartbeat" from the President's chair. It's done. If there's absolutely no more news about her from this moment on ... I can completely forget about her. And I hope I never have to hear about her wanting to aspire to anything near the "White House". Her abuse of power regarding "Troopergate" did it for me. If she can so easily have gone through that, what's to stop her from another unethical situation? In a higher level of office? Does not matter who party she's with. I don't trust her. This isn't high school or even college where we learn to become responsible adults. She should have known not to lower herself to those "Troopergate" shenanigans.
