Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains Ohh so Beverly Hills Dalmatians... still having BH Chihuahua nightmares...
Originally Posted By Mr X Well, anyway as far as her being a heartbeat away that's over and done with I think. Is there any way ANY other candidate would dare select her as a running mate? I can't see THAT happening. More likely, she'll run for herself. And I assume she'd lose but if not, that means a large amount of people actually evaluated her and accepted her credentials (whatever they may be going forward) which in and of itself is a lot less scary than someone arbitrarily selecting a total unknown shooting to find "a game changer".
Originally Posted By andyll We actually need to lay off Palin and start supporting her. I can't think of anything better then to have her actually be a contender for 2012.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>and start supporting her.<< A double - "Huh?" Lets be honest here .... sure .. she could educate herself .. and get "up to snuff" with the US Government process ... and read about that there are ACTUALLY countries in the CONTINENT of Africa .... I'll give her that!!! But she cross the line regarding Trooper Wooten. I'm sorry ..... when we are kids .. even young adults .. we make mistakes .. and do things that aren't exactly "the right thing to do." Once you cross the line into adulthood .. you should pretty much know what you are doing. You gain a certain maturity .. and run for mayor .. then governor .. you should pretty much know how to conduct yourself. SHE DIDN'T CARE! Okay! By her late 30s .. running as governor ... and runs into trouble over "Abuse of power" ....... CONSIDER YOURSELF TOAST - IN THOSE KINDS OF POSITIONS. There's no "second chance" when you are governing and dealing with people's lives!!
Originally Posted By oc_dean She blew it! And therefore can never be trusted! You know where she could gain a second chance? Avoid any such "Trooper/gate" situations for the next 10 or so years .. and she can gain a few stripes for herself.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***We actually need to lay off Palin and start supporting her. I can't think of anything better then to have her actually be a contender for 2012.*** Agreed, but I seriously doubt the Republicans could be THAT foolish. I really do.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Hey- if I'm a sad, small man for criticizing Palin, you all must be happy, big men for wanting to lay off. JUst want to be fair and balanced. Kudos.
Originally Posted By Mr X Yeah, PassHolder..you truly are a sad, small man. Here's the truth, we should ALL get behind her. Seriously. Send letters and emails of support. Above all, DONATE GENEROUSLY to her campaign fund (never mind "how" it gets spent, why should we care?)! PALIN in 2012!! I'm serious here, she has the potential to go all the way in the Republican primaries and WE should HELP HER to become the Next Republican Candidate for the presidency against Barack Obama! I'm very, VERY serious here. We need to start supporting her RIGHT NOW! DouglasDub...I am WITH YOU all the way brother. I really and truly am. I want her to be the Republican nominee. I really, really do! (that is a 100% sincere sentiment from me, so be clear that we are ABSOLUTELY on the same page with this!)
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder You know, I'd pay money to Obama debate her. Children under 12 would have to avert their eyes, though.
Originally Posted By Mr X Come on, guys...that's not fair! That'd be like Rocky Balboa getting in the ring with, er, well..Sarah Palin. Yeah, I'd pay to see that too.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <No one who is truly conservative could endorse Senator Obama for President. > So Christopher Buckley isn't a "true" conservative in Dougworld? And Ken Adelman isn't a "true" conservative, fercryinoutloud? And Charles Fried (solicitor general under Reagan)? And C.C. Goldwater? And Colin Powell? And Arne Carlson? And Susan Eisenhower? And Doug Kmiec, another Reagan admin. official, who actually got denied communion for the "sin" of endorsing Obama? <a href="http://wonkette.com/403815/every-republican-endorsing-obama" target="_blank">http://wonkette.com/403815/eve...ng-obama</a> None of these guys are "true" conservatives? I guess, as we've often said, when you stand THAT far to the right, everyone looks to be left to you. Just take the case of Ken "Cakewalk in Iraq" Adelman. You loved him when he was spouting his Iraq theories. But he made it clear that ideology is not the only valid criterion in choosing a presidential candidate. He endorsed Obama not due to ideology but in spite of it. As he put it (in a piece called - gasp!) "Why A Staunch Conservative Like Me Endorsed Barack Obama"): "Granted, McCain's views are closer to mine than Obama's. But I've learned over this Bush era to value competence along with ideology. Otherwise, our ideology gets discredited, as it has so disastrously over the past eight years. McCain's temperament -- leading him to bizarre behavior during the week the economic crisis broke -- and his judgment -- leading him to Wasilla -- depressed me into thinking that "our guy" would be a(nother) lousy conservative president. Been there, done that. I'd rather a competent moderate president. " www.huffingtonpost.com/ken-adelman/why-a-staunch-conservativ_b_137749.html So... you might disagree with his endorsement. But did he suddenly stop being a "true" conservative, after decades of being one, just from this one endorsement? Apparently so, if "No one who is truly conservative could endorse Senator Obama for President." Gimme a break.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Hey- if I'm a sad, small man for criticizing Palin, you all must be happy, big men for wanting to lay off.> You're a sad, small man because you don't know the difference between criticizing and bashing.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <None of these guys are "true" conservatives?> No, they're all moderates. "I'd rather a competent moderate president." There's nothing moderate about Sen Obama's record. Not on social issues, not on fiscal issues. Maybe he'll govern as one, and I hope he does, but that remains to be seen
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<None of these guys are "true" conservatives?>> <No, they're all moderates.> Ken Adelman? Really? You're going with that? <<"I'd rather a competent moderate president.">> <There's nothing moderate about Sen Obama's record. Not on social issues, not on fiscal issues. Maybe he'll govern as one, and I hope he does, but that remains to be seen.> Again, when you stand that far to the right, everyone looks left. (Ken Adelman? Not a conservative? Really?) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Adelman
Originally Posted By mele Hm, who knew that part of being a conservative was the need to criticize liberals. Figures.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Ken Adelman? Really? You're going with that?> I don't know why you do this. It's not like I say things I don't believe, and aren't pretty sure are correct. Maybe Mr Adelman is the most conservative of the moderates you listed, but he's still mostly a Neocon. His principal concern is defense, and I haven't seen any indication he's conservative on social or fiscal issues. <Again, when you stand that far to the right, everyone looks left.> Sorry it doesn't work that way. I judge right and left by where people stand on the issues. And for the record, I'm not that far right. I believe in paying taxes for essential government services. I'm fine with a progressive tax system. I believe abortion should be legal in some cases. I think States should recognize gay marriage, if it can be shown to have a beneficial effect on society. I'm against mandatory prayer in school, and teaching creationism as science. But it's easier to dismiss arguments by claiming people are idealogues, then refute or consider them. So here we are.
