Originally Posted By peeaanuut 195 posts and finally someone said libs? Is that like a new record in WE?
Originally Posted By cmpaley It's far easier to set up a straw man and knock him down than argue with actual people and their statements. That's what the Right excels at.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But you can stop acting offended that people don't buy hook, line and sinker that being gay is a beautiful, healthy, great way to live without any downside.<< Dealing with ignorant people like you are the major downside. Did that offend you? Good.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "Patrick and beau and other board posters with similar views serve a useful function - they are an incessant reminder that indeed our society is split almost 50/50, with the "other half" holding opinions and views that often defy reason. " It's interesting...I was watching a documentary about gay people in rural Kendrick, Idaho last night. It was a pretty good special, and it showed a side of gay life you so rarely see. Basically, it was about a very small town with a population under 400 people. Most families had lived there for generations, and people who had been there for 80 years or so were considered "outsiders". Well, quite a few of the townspeople are gay, and this documentary focused on how they live in and with the community. It brought up some interesting things, like people who thought like Patrick and Beau, however, since these gay people were their friends and fellow townsfolk, they seriously had to rethink their value system. Even one of the local pastors had to rethink how he viewed homosexuality because of these local gay people. It was a very positive thing to see that instead of blatant homophobia, these rural people were actually willing to have REAL discussions about what it is to be gay, and quite a few of them changed their opinions about it. I'm sure things like this are happening all across the country, but it's going to take a while for it to truly be the social norm. It's just good to see it's starting. Oh, the funny thing is that this town used to have an area called "bachelor hill" because quite a few of the farmers back in the day were bachelors who lived alone in Kendrick...of course nobody at the time would have thought they might have been gay. In fact, one of the guys on the show have several "bachelor" uncles in his family in prior generations...(both he and his sister in this show were gay, by the way).
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Beau, you are incredibly preoccupied with thoughts of gay anal sex.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 LOL! Maybe it's his neighboor emitting gay vibes? Hey, the guy probably needs a new toaster oven!
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Originally Posted By TomSawyer For someone who doesn't care if people are gay you seem pretty obsessed with them, Beau. But I still haven't seen anyone here post how great and wonderful it is, so I'm still not sure exactly who you think you're responding to.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Tom , the entire thread is about the the beauty of being gay. Again, I don't care who is gay. But you have to admit, the people who talk about being gay and how it's perfectly fine... these people NEVER admit the dark side of this chosen lifestyle.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Do you admit the dark side of heterosexuality, Beau? I've never seen you do it.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<Anal Cancer Chlamydia trachomatis Cryptosporidium Giardia lamblia Herpes simplex virus Human immunodeficiency virus Human papilloma virus Isospora belli Microsporidia Gonorrhea Viral hepatitis types B & C Syphilis>> Whew, it's a good thing that only gay men get those!
Originally Posted By cmpaley Interesting. Beau seems to think that people actively choose to be or can be convinced to choose to be same-sex attracted. Sorry, it don't work like that. I never sat down one day and said, "ya know I think I'm going to decide that that guy over there looks HOT! Woohoo! And that girl over there...EW!" No, that's not how it works at all. I wasn't seduced into it, either. When I came of age, I found myself looking at other boys (I was a young teen at the time) with interest other than friendship...if you know what I mean. And, no, no interest in girls whatsoever in girls...at least *that* way. No conscious decision involved, it just turned out that way. Now, are there factors in my life that I believe contributed to my same-sex attractions? Absolutely, butit certainly was NOT the "gay community" convincing me that "being gay is just peachy." To be honest, I find a lot of "gay" people annoying because the flashy femininity of many "gay" men seems contrived and overdone...almost as though they are trying to fill a role. Anyone who's met me can tell you that I'm just...me and that I don't try to play a role.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm not trying to sell you or anybody anything. I really don't care if you approve or not. You can believe whatever you like, just don't use your unfounded beliefs to restrict my rights and equality. Simple, no? >> ... what about the other side of being gay? << What are you going to tell me about being gay? >> Why is that NEVER talked about by STPH and the rest of the mob? << Perhaps because STP isn't gay? Just a theory ... >> Why not tell the truth about HIV/ AIDS and being gay? << I'll tell you "the truth" about HIV/AIDS and being gay - being gay does not cause HIV/AIDS. There's your truth. HIV is transmitted by passing bodily fluids from one person to another. This is typically through sex or IV drug use. Most HIV is transmitted through heterosexual sex. Sad, but true. Are you going to stop engaging in heterosex, beau? And yes, unprotected anal sex is an effective means of transmission. So is vaginal sex. What's your point? >> What a great lifestyle!! << What do you suggest as an alternative? Stop "being gay"? Please - you must not have any idea how ridiculous you sound. As for your laundry list of sexually transmitted diseases, there are none that are exclusive to gay sex. STDs are just that - they're not picky about who you're having sex with - why don't you know this already? >> Why not tell the fact that being gay, even a gay " cowboy " means you don't get to have children of your own. << Plenty of gay people have children - often in the conventional way. You know this too. Beau, try to get this - people don't suddenly get a wild hair one day and "decide" to be gay because it sounds like a good idea, or it's "hip". Why do I even try . . .
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>K2man, did you ever tell us why or why not you HOPE your kid would be gay?<< I answered it long ago. I really don't want to answer you, because you tend to blow off whatever people say Or worse, you pretend to listen, then the next day it's back to the same old crapola. I've seen poster after poster open up and share insights, and you seem to be caring and compassionate about it... until the next day when you start up with mean-spirited dribble like what you've spit up in this thread. But here's my answer. I hope I have raised my kids with enough love and trust that they feel comfortable confiding anything, ANYTHING, to me. I hope that they live happy, productive, responsible lives. If one, or both, told me that they were gay, I'd offer advice, if asked, about how to deal with people in the world who are cruel to gays, about safe sex (same as we discuss already), etc. At no point would I try to re-program them to be straight. At no point would I feel that I am any "less" because of it, nor would I ever feel that they are any "less" because of it. In short, what I hope for them is that they are free to be whoever they really are. And I'd defend them to the death from anyone or anything that would wish them harm, especially because of their sexual orientation. So, what would YOU do if your kid announced that they were gay? "Change" them somehow? Force them to be straight? Ignore them? Guilt them into "turning" straight? Would you want them to live a fake life simply because you are uncomfortable with homosexuality? Do they "owe" you grandchildren? What if they were gay and decided to adopt -- would you love your grandchild, or refuse to recognize it?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Why do I even try . . .<< LOL! Indeed, the eternal question of World Events. I ask myself that time and again...
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Why do I even try . . . gadzuux, shall I go find the post where you said it was good to have these guys around? LMAO! <sigh> The record is skipping again.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Actually Gadzuux, I appreciate your post. YOur always very rational and level headed... but I don't agree with much of what you say. Your telling me that gay men as a percentage don't get HIV and AIDS at a higher rate than any other group here in America? Really?? Again, fine, your gay and you can't help it. Fine. I still don't know if this is always the case, but that is for another time. That's not my problem. My problem is that being gay has a lot of downsides that being straight does not have. Even that is not a big deal if it were not for the fact that people on the left try and pretend that being gay is just as healthy and happy and equal to being straight. Are you going to tell me Gadzuux that a gay man in his 20's is going to live as long as a straight man in his 20's?? Hello? Even this would not bother me if it were not for the fact that there is some kid somewhere right now who is confused about who he is. I think he would be MUCH better off if everything possible could be done to steer him away from being gay. Yet liberals will ENCOURAGE him to explore being gay. This is my problem with many people who try and sell homosexuality. Don't tell me this kid can't be led to a path of not being gay. It's done every day. I can get you LOTS of testimonials from people who will tell you they rejected being gay. It just so happens that a lot of the time a church group is involved. Just another reason religion is hated by many gay liberals I suppose.
