Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I'm not sure I want to see it. I absolutely don't want to see another Torch Song Trilogy.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 BTW - lusting about 2 lesbians can destroy a marriage too and is considered being unfaithful.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 ^^^^Replace "gay cowboys" with "lesbian cowgirls" and this film would be over 100 million right now.
Originally Posted By friendofdd <<<BTW - lusting about 2 lesbians can destroy a marriage too and is considered being unfaithful>>> Is that a referencee to torch song trilogy (which I haven't seen) or did something happen in Pride and Prejudice that I didn't notice?
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Neither friendofdd. <<<Replace "gay cowboys" with "lesbian cowgirls" and this film would be over 100 million right now.>>> I know your joking DDMAN26, but this is what really makes me angry. You guys joke about stuff like that, Beau sees nothing wrong with his constant 2 lesbian fantasies, but gets all worked up about a smart, complex story. It's disgusting and old.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Damn it, Tom. When you post a spoiler about Hamlet, would you please put a spoiler warning up?<< There's a theater here in Seattle that sometimes puts up funny tag lines on their marquee. When the Kenneth Brannagh version of Hamlet was out a few year back, their sign said "HAMLET" and right underneath it said "Everyone dies".
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Lisann22, I don't have any two lesbian fantacies. EEEEWWWWW. Point those in another direction.
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Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<Second, who says they hate marriage?>> I don't think Hollywood hates marriage, but they're certainly not very good at it. As is a good portion of the country.
Originally Posted By jasmine7 << I don't think Hollywood hates marriage, but they're certainly not very good at it. As is a good portion of the country.<< Thank you for your last sentence. People like to point the finger of doom at Hollywood & talk about what bad examples celebrities set with their short, sometimes nearly non-existant marriages, but they're not very different from the rest of America. The only difference is that they have the constant glare of the lights and the persistent cameras to point out their foibles to the rest of the nation.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Beau - you're being unnecessarily inflamatory, and factually wrong - in no way is the movie about "destroying a marriage". But I tend to disagree with tom's assessment too. There were never any fidelity pacts between the two main characters - in fact it was out of the question. Infidelity can only occur if a pledge of fidelity has been given, which never happens between these guys. The wives are minor characters within the story, and are presented as unsympathetic. I wouldn't consider the 'infidelity' aspect as a major plot point.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>The wives are minor characters within the story, and are presented as unsympathetic. I wouldn't consider the 'infidelity' aspect as a major plot point.<<< That is well stated Gadzuux. Sadly, it may be close to real life in much of our society today. Whoever we choose as a life partner, they, and our faithfulness to them, should be part of the central plot of our lives.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<<The wives are minor characters within the story, and are presented as unsympathetic. I wouldn't consider the 'infidelity' aspect as a major plot point.>>> I don't agree with this. Their time on screen might have been less but their role in the story was HUGE. I felt a great deal of sympathy for both wives, particularly Ennis' wife. Holy cow, the scenes of her watching Jack and Ennis greet, the bedroom scene, the phone call??????? What about Ennis girlfriend?
Originally Posted By Lisann22 How do you know it's well stated friendofdd? You said you haven't seen the film?
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> What about Ennis girlfriend? << Cheap sentiment and melodrama (remember, I didn't care much for the film). She had no investment in a relationship between the two of them, other than hoping in her head that he might be an eligible contender. He made no effort to lead her on. When she later stumbles upon him in public, his non-responsiveness makes clear that "it ain't never gonna happen", she dissolves into tears and histrionics. There are some actual unfortunate victims within this story, but she seems artifically tacked on.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 LOL - ok gadzuux you pick out the girlfriend versus the wives or even the daughters. Alrighty, I realize you didn't like the movie. I'm done.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I think that Ennis and Jack were unfaithful to themselves for marrying women they weren't truly in love with. They got married to women because they didn't feel they could be together. I'm sure they hoped they could be happy and could be faithful but they couldn't. If they had felt safe enough to be together, they might have been happy. They might have been miserable. Because they were not together, they became more obsessed with each other. It was untrue of them to marry women when their hearts, minds or sexual organs were someone else's. It was wrong for them to marry women if they weren't sure of their feelings. But sometimes we aim high and hope we can live up to our expectations and the expectations of others. It's called being human. Filming a movie about human beings and their faults is not glorifying them. We see these things out of curiousity or as a form of therapy. Sometimes it just makes an interesting story. The characters in Brokeback Mtn were broken, unhappy people. They are no one's heroes. Someone might see the movie and feel compelled to be true to their own nature and not feel the need to marry someone they don't love to prove some kind of point. The less people hurt, the better. One of the greatest things about today's society is that more people feel free to be gay. They don't have to pretend they are straight, there is no need to destroy lives by denying their true nature.
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Originally Posted By Beaumandy Just wanted to say that Gadzuux wrote a very good review of the movie.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom The point to the movie was that it was not safe "to be gay" during the 60s and 70s. The one guy who was honest to his feelings got murdered. True, today we fortunately have a more open and accepting society for individuals who are gay or lesbian but it took many many homosexuals murdered, beaten and shuned by their country, communities and families to get where we are today. The road to liberation has been paved in blood.
