Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I noticed attendance at the top 10 resorts in the world include Everland in Korea." I'm sort of baffled by the park's attendance ranking after looking at some of it's offerings. Most of the attractions there look like they were lifted from a county fair: <a href="http://www.everland.com/MultiLanguage/english/everland/attraction/attraction.html" target="_blank">http://www.everland.com/MultiL...ion.html</a>
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "Also shows the effect on tourism with 911=I guess the locals do deserve some respect afterall!" Hey - I was there just after 9/11 and I am from Western Australia!!!
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "Too bad jonvn doesn't post here any longer. He could dig in his heels and claim that these numbers are completely fabricated by monkeys in a sound booth and don't mean a thing." jonvn dig his heels in on something irrational?!? It's like you don't even know him!!! ; ) But seriously, I am EXTREMELY glad that angry old man is gone.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 ">>3. Tokyo Disneyland, 13,646,000 -4.5%<< >>5. Tokyo DisneySea, 12,004,000 -4.0%<< TDL Resort's attendance is in decline. Interesting." Reactionary and overly simplistic. I think if you were to look at the bigger picture and the reasons why, you'd see that the TDR was coming off a massive 25th anniversary event and the previous year's numbers were artifically a bit higher. But that wouldn't give one the opportunity for a cheap shot at the highly superior TDR, would it?
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "If I, sitting in NY, knew something I wanted to see like HP was opening in 2010, would I visit in 2009, or 2010?" Makes sense, doesn't it? Which is why it astonishes me SOOO damned much when I see a post like, "OH NOES!!!!!! We will be visiting the XXX Resort in June and New Super Duper Ride opens July 1st....DO YOU THINK IT WILL OPEN EARLY?!?!?" I always think to myself, "You seem like a regular poster who SHOULD know when these things are due to open. If I knew some major new ride was going to open second week of July, why the hell would I plan my holiday to come last week of June?!?" It just does not make sense and I have ZERO compassion for those people who get all upset because they are going to miss out. Hell, I have a timetable set up on my comp with the optimal time to visit the US and right now I am looking at 2012, since that way I can see the new stuff at DCA, as well as new attractions at the TDR. Based on the costs of travelling overseas and the exorbitant cost of accommodation, it just makes so much more sense!
Originally Posted By TP2000 Bob, you've summed it up beautifully. I'm doing the same thing in reverse on occasion, figuring out the optimal time to visit Tokyo Disney. After more than a decade on the Internet, I still won't get over the "MY VACATION IS RUINED!" comments when something new opens, or doesn't open, or a rehab is scheduled. As for jonvn, it is a good thing he's long gone. But the funny thing is that a decade later pretty much every one of his arguments about DCA was shown by Disney's own actions and admissions to be totally bogus. I have a hunch that's why he's long gone, aside from all the trouble he got in with administrators. Funny times the decade of the 2000's was! It's nice that there's a few folks here who weren't in grade school in 2001 and can use the recent past as a valid point of reference in conversation. ;-)
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 The thing that always got me about jonvn was I couldn't shake the feeling he was just doing the "I'm a grumpy old man who has to argue counter to WHATEVER everybody else is saying, just because I am crotchey and.....wait a minute......YOU KIDS GET OUTTA MY YARD!!!!" He was like a pitbull with a bone. Once he got a hold of something, no matter how irrational, he would not let go, even when proven wrong. I have met a few people like that in my life; kind of people who enjoy more the intellectual process of the argument and will bend and twist every which way, so long as they can keep an argument going. To a person, they were jerks.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 FWIW, many people must take their vacations based on work schedules, school schedules, etc. All other things being equal, they might have waited month before the new attraction opens, but all things are not equal, and work/school takes precedence. So "do you think there will be soft openings for..." does not necessarily denote an idiot, guys. Also, I liked jonvn. A lot of his points, particularly on the tooning of the parks, were on the money.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Dang iphone: "...all other things being equal, they might have waited TILL THE MONTH the new attraction opens, but..."
Originally Posted By tashajilek "I couldn't shake the feeling he was just doing the "I'm a grumpy old man who has to argue counter to WHATEVER everybody else is saying, just because I am crotchey and.....wait a minute......YOU KIDS GET OUTTA MY YARD!!!!" BoB im sure you know that there are still a few people on here like that.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But that wouldn't give one the opportunity for a cheap shot at the highly superior TDR, would it?" Why so defensive? All you had to do was explain your reasoning why you think the attendance declined at TDR. There was no "cheap shot" intended in what I said.
Originally Posted By believe >>>>>We couldn't find our rental car no matter how hard we tried<<<<< Next time you park (anywhere), take a picture of your parking location - ie Mickey 5. Just love digital cameras. >>>>>But that wouldn't give one the opportunity for a cheap shot at the highly superior TDR, would it?<<<<< TDS has more than double the attendance than DCA. On top of that, much more are full paying customers.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I knew approximately where we were, and I knew we were in the 'Jaws' section, but we didn't remember much about what the car looked like - we had just rented it about an hour before we arrived at the park. Maybe I should have taken a pic of the car too!
Originally Posted By TempestsPrince Is there an acronym database for LP? I've worked out most of them, but still hit the odd ones that make no sense from time to time. TDR? TDS?
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf It's interesting to note that, while attendance was up at Disney parks in 2009, revenues were down 7% in their "Parks and Resorts" segment. Operating Income was down 25% in P&R. Per capita guest spending decreased 9% at DLR and 4% at WDW. The Operating Margin is still solid at 13.3% in the P&R segment, but down from 16.5% in 2008 and 16.1% in 2007. But if you adjust for currency translation gains (international parks) and other non-recurring items (DVC sales on new property), the margin gets thinner. It appears that the SoCal ticket deals are succeeding at bringing folks to the parks, but failing to get them to spend enough money. You can bet the folks in Burbank at looking at discounted ticket sales closely as shareholders won't stand for policies that hurt operating earnings. Here's a link to the 2009 10-K if you wanna take a look at the numbers. <a href="http://corporate.disney.go.com/media/investors/twdc-8-k-amended-10k-2009.pdf" target="_blank">http://corporate.disney.go.com...2009.pdf</a>
Originally Posted By believe Just this morning, KNX1070 AM this morning reported that Disneyland attendance was DOWN, but spending was UP. They didn't really elaborate, but they had a reporter out there interviewing folks buying lots of stuff.
Originally Posted By gadzuux TDR = Tokyo Disneyland Resort TDS = Tokyo Disney Seas I haven't yet figured out what HMM is though.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf <<Just this morning, KNX1070 AM this morning reported that Disneyland attendance was DOWN, but spending was UP.>> In the latest quarter, revenues were up (slightly) in the P&R segment but operating income was down 12%. That being said, Disney did say, "Operating income at our domestic parks was essentially flat as higher guest spending was offset by decreased attendance and occupied room nights and higher costs. Higher guest spending was primarily due to higher average ticket prices." Their margins are still being strained though. <a href="http://corporate.disney.go.com/investors/quarterly_earnings/2010_q2.pdf" target="_blank">http://corporate.disney.go.com...0_q2.pdf</a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "It appears that the SoCal ticket deals are succeeding at bringing folks to the parks, but failing to get them to spend enough money. You can bet the folks in Burbank at looking at discounted ticket sales closely as shareholders won't stand for policies that hurt operating earnings." Great observation, but I think part of the downward spiral in spending is partly because of lower hotel bookings and general discounts across the board. Apparently the attendance increases are not enough to offset the reductions in pricing.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "I haven't yet figured out what HMM is though." Are you referencing the title of one of the threads? That threw me off for a while too, but I think it's just the noise you make you're thinking. You know? Hmm...
