Originally Posted By jonvn My personal complaint about the merchandise is that it's made in chinese sweat shops. A ride about the betterment of children of the world is now going to profit of their exploitation.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>The Princess Diaries stuff, of course, took place in SanFran and the characters are Genovian. << ADD A GENOVIA ROOM! Here's the thing about waiting and seeing. They took out the Country Bears. There were doubts about this Pooh ride business, but everybody said "wait and see." We waited. We saw. And they still haven't put the Country Bears back ............ That's why I refuse to wait and see. Once Stitch is in there, all the Ohana in the world won't get him back out.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "They took out the Country Bears." That was actually a good thing. Pooh belongs in Fantasyland.
Originally Posted By netenyahoo I think they should take out all the dolls and replace them with Pixar characters. We do not have a Pixar ride in Fantasyland yet, so this would be a good move.
Originally Posted By Zwitek <<< Now all sell basically sell the same thing. Junk. >>> While I agree entirely with you, the masses still buy it up by the bag load. I have no idea as to why. They either pay too much for cheap stuff, or they pay WAY too much for cheap couture stuff.
Originally Posted By jonvn Well that is the demographic they want to appeal to, and it's fine. Junk buying simpletons.
Originally Posted By BigJim89 <<Well that is the demographic they want to appeal to, and it's fine. Junk buying simpletons. >> Oh, so they're marketing to mainstream Americans, why didn't you say so. Kidding, kidding. LOL! I feel the characters if added in the style of Mary Blair and made to blend in may look OK but with regard to the added music to the ride I hope this is just for the HK version. Here's hoping the ride isn't butchered too much.
Originally Posted By monorail91 It sounds kinda weird, but I think Disney'll do ok. Before I went on it, I thought the new POTC was borderline blasphemy, but it ended up being really cool! I have faith in them.
Originally Posted By Mr F Everyone should just quit COMPLAINING! The Changes to Pirates, Jungle Cruise, Mansion, And Space Mt. During the 50th were all pretty cool, yet not too drastic. Everytime Disney wants to change something people moan and gripe until they finally see the end product and find that it's really cool. I'm sure Disney Will do a decent job with the changes to small world.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I'm still not convinced that all the changes to Pirates were for the better. The updating of effects (the air cannons that hit you in the battle scene come to mind) was great and more than welcome, but I really think that the overall attraction has really been cheapened with the addition of the Jack Sparrow figures and new dialogue. Where before I could easily ride it every trip, now I only go every second or third trip, and mostly out of obligation. It just isn't as interesting with the forced storyline as it was when you got to string the scenes together how you saw fit.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"I do not agree that the Pooh ride is worse than the Country Bears."<<< I do. The only thing that I enjoy about Pooh is the theming on the OUTSIDE of the building. Even if you didn't enjoy CB-at least it was a people eater-certainly cannot say that about Pooh.
Originally Posted By jdub A people eater? What? Admittedly, I can hat the Country Bears to the ends of the universe & back, but I still have to give it the credit for giving birth to the "live" Chuck-E-Cheez show, I concede that fact.
Originally Posted By jonvn I don't understand the love of the CBJ. Where was it when the thing was running? The theaters were empty all the time.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>A people eater? What?<< Yep. A one-eyed one-horned flying purple one. >>I don't understand the love of the CBJ. Where was it when the thing was running? The theaters were empty all the time. << As they say in the real estate business, location, location, location. The bears are very popular in Florida. >>Everyone should just quit COMPLAINING! The Changes to Pirates, Jungle Cruise, Mansion, And Space Mt. During the 50th were all pretty cool, yet not too drastic. Everytime Disney wants to change something people moan and gripe until they finally see the end product and find that it's really cool. I'm sure Disney Will do a decent job with the changes to small world.<< Noooo. The changes to Space Mountain were cool, but it's a mixed bag on the others. I predict Johnny Depp's "sell by" date is going to be shorter than they realize. Floating Leota is as Disney as it gets, but the attic has lost much of its kinetic appeal and fun, and nobody notices the pictures in the lobby anymore. As for the Jungle Cruise, I recall being unimpressed, but I just don't recall why - I rarely do that ride. It's not like there's a high technological benchmark there. I just don't think the current crop of Imagineers are putting sufficient thought into analyzing WHY the attractions work and WHY they are designed the way they are. They just march in and plus 'em, then try to justify it after the fact, when all the criticism starts. And this iasw thing is a particularly egregious example. And one of my points to not changing IASW is that they really need to leave at least one "classic Disney" attraction alone (nonplussed, if you will), and IASW is the best (and one of the only) remaining candidates. You wanna put in more dolls? More motion? More decorations? More eye-candy? More geese? Go for it. But adding characters changes the fundamental nature of the attraction. It's like adding Baloo to Bambi. The Bambi universe was meticulously crafted, and Baloo just doesn't belong there. Even though they're both animals and both in the forest.
Originally Posted By PetesDraggin "I'm still not convinced that all the changes to Pirates were for the better." I would have to agree with this one. The more I ride the new POTC, the more I hate the changes. One Jack Sparrow would be fine, but 3? I mean, come on. That's just overkill! The worst changes, however, are at the beginning. I HATE the Davy Jones mist screen effect. It is horribly done and just does not fit in with the ride. The way that cavern used to be, riding in the dark with creepy voices warning you about things to come, was great. I also hate the changes to the battle scene. Barbossa would be fine, but Geoffrey Rush's voice sounds completely bored and uninspired. The previous captain actually sounded like he was in battle commanding a ship full of pirates. And the music in this scene is so loud and intrusive to the overall feeling. That music just does not fit in with everything that's going on in that scene. With all that said, I am not completely against the changes to IASW. I think the Stitch addition is AWFUL, but having just Lilo wouldn't be bad. Alice actually looks good, so I would assume that any other human character additions would be ok. I understand the people saying that this will change the theme of the ride, but I am just not convinced yet that this will do that. There are hundreds of dolls in IASW, and the addition of 5-10 new ones will not overwhelm the entire ride. But, do we even know what additions will be coming to the DL IASW? I believe Alice was confirmed, but isn't everything else just rumor right now?
Originally Posted By jdub >>The worst changes, however, are at the beginning. I HATE the Davy Jones mist screen effect. It is horribly done and just does not fit in with the ride. The way that cavern used to be, riding in the dark with creepy voices warning you about things to come, was great.<< Ayup!
Originally Posted By monorail91 True dat, Mr F! (Is your user name an "Arrested Development" reference?)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <There are hundreds of dolls in IASW, and the addition of 5-10 new ones will not overwhelm the entire ride.> The HKDL website claims 38 Disney "friends" will be included in theirs. I tried to think of human child Disney characters that would be perhaps semi-acceptable in that they might at least possibly blend in, and only thought of a few... Alice, Peter Pan, Pinocchio as real boy, Mowgli, Lilo without Stitch. But I certainly couldn't think of 38. Adult characters (even young adults like the various princesses) would be horribly out of place, and animal characters tend to have a "look" to them that is anthropomorphic and not very Mary Blair. (None of the animals currently in iasw wear clothes, for instance, I don't think.) If they kept it to human child characters - Alice in England, Mowgli in India - okay. They don't add a dang thing, IMO, but okay. But adding adults and clothes-wearing animals not only doesn't add anything; at that point it takes away from what this ride is supposed to be.
