Originally Posted By cape cod joe I wonder how they ever have children Mele?)))))))))))) Lighten up Muslims!!!!!!!! Allah likes humor!))
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Originally Posted By cape cod joe Now Woody-----Don't get like that as there is a MIDDLE ground. Only God knows what that is but as long as don't have that "Nuke em all and let God sort them out" which I saw someone on CNN say today, we'll be alright with rational compromise. ONE e.g. If a woman gets raped, it IS rational that she should be able to have an abortion. If a healthy woman is 8 months pregnant, it's rational that she should NOT be able to have an abortion on DEMAND. There has to that type of comprmise or enmity will never end on this earth. Make sense?
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "I wonder how liberals have children. They are too busy having fun aborting them. Lighten up, it's another abortion. Population control and all that." Hiding behind the keyboard again, little man? Your last bit of tripe like this got deleted.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I guess what I don't understand about the abortion issue, is -- why is it so important that someone else not have an abortion? To me, in life, I try to do better in my world. If I feel that abortion is wrong and a sin and is evil, then I would try to prevent that from happening with the people in my life. I don't understand how people want to impose their views on me. They seem to say 'Abortion is wrong, and it's not going to happen in the country I'm living in.' Just like gay people and marriage. How does it erode my world if a gay couple wants to get married? Not a civil union. Not opening the world to marrying your Mom. Just a marriage. I try to do right in my life and with my family, according to what I feel is right. My hope is that others do the same. But I would never get up in someone else's grill about their own personal choices.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Woody, it's hard to shock me, but you just did. Wow. The world HAS to stand up to Islam now. I think people all over the world are starting to see that this religion has a base goal of world domination and repression. It's to the point now where if you make a cartoon about Muhammed the people hit the streets saying they are going to behead people and buildings get burned. ( Last night ) To my liberal friends.... you think the Christians are a thorn in your side? Just try Islam for any type of "tolerance". How many gay days do they have in Islam countries? How many porn films can you rent? Islam is really " nice " when they are in the minority, like they are in most places here in America. But look at what you get when they are in the majority. Being a pro war Iraq guy, I have to admit my only concern is the fact that these people we have set free have Islam lurking in the background. HOPEFULLY, the people in the Middle East will wake up and see that radical Islam has only turned their communities into repressed toilets of hell. Muslims in India for example get along with others... it can be done. Muslims need to get a grip, do their prayer rug gig, hang out at the Mosque, stop killing people who don't bow down to Allah and let the rest of the world worship how they want to worship. If someone draws a picture of Muhammed with a bomb shaped turbin, ignore it and stop being so "offended." Funny how Mr. Muslim can call the Jews Pigs and other names on a daily basis, but they come unglued about a cartoon? No wonder they have nothing to show in the last 100 years. If the Muslims don't get a grip on their behavior... they have to be destroyed.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<I guess what I don't understand about the abortion issue, is -- why is it so important that someone else not have an abortion?>> Jim, this one should be pretty easy to understand: some people believe that abortion is the killing of a living person. Surely your opinion on murder is not, "Ya know, I'm personally wouldn't murder anyone. But if someone else is into it, well, that's their business."
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Is that really what you got from my post Inspector 57, or are you trying to make a point here?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Just to play devil's advocate for a minute with you all (and I don't agree with the violence happening because of these cartoons in ANY way -- just bringing it up for discussion here) -- do you think political cartoonist should be aware of their audience and try not to offend people? Or do you think by their very nature, political cartoons don't have to be "fair and balanced" and should make a strong, bold point of view, knowing that some people who don't share that view will be angered by it?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe 200n---Very good question? Tolles sp? of the Washington Post went over the line as it was vulgar rather than humorous kinda like the Supreme Court's community standard barometer with porn. It WAS vulgar! There is NO grey area here unless you're way on the lunatic fringe. So it should NOT have been published. However the Allah with a bomb turban, no matter if you're a Muslim or not, it IS humorous. I wouldn't be offended with Jesus in a caricatured potrayal. Just obviously, imho Jim----------Most rational thought would say that an eighth month fetus is a viable human being, so hence 57's last 2 sentences. You must be able to see that? The gay thing I AGREE with as with consensual sex, etc. but the marriage thing is priviledge not a right as mainstream thinking seems to feel so gays or whatever should NOT be allowed to marry. Again imho.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I wouldn't be offended with Jesus in a caricatured potrayal<< Ever? What if (and again, this is only for discussion, not my personal feelings) a Muslim cartoonist drew a truly unflattering caricature of Jesus or of the western idea of God in some way?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Never say never but my faith is such that I would not feel that Jesus couldn't handle it himself. Apparently Allah needs help. Jesus doesn't. But the vets who have lost limbs defending our country, to be mocked like this Tolles,, man that was disgusting and it takes a LOT to offend me who has seen and done a lot in this life.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Is that really what you got from my post Inspector 57, or are you trying to make a point here?>> I was posting at face value, Jim. I'll see if I can express it more clearly. I, personally, don't think that it's okay for me to murder someone. Not only that, but I don't want others to be able to do it, either. That's in contrast to, say, my not wanting to smoke marijuana. Or to go see "Hostel." Or to shack up with someone of the opposite sex. I don't want to do any of those things, but I don't care if others do them. Some of my best friends do. If I believed that abortion is murder, I wouldn't say, "Well, I won't do it, but it's okay with me that others do it." Just as I wouldn't say the same thing about murdering adults. You apparently don't equate abortion with murder. Some people do. THAT's why they would get up in someone's grill about their "personal choices." While I might not agree with it, I understand their point of view. If you think abortion is murder, you don't want anyone to do it.
Originally Posted By imadisneygal "However the Allah with a bomb turban, no matter if you're a Muslim or not, it IS humorous. I wouldn't be offended with Jesus in a caricatured potrayal." Are you serious about this? I totally agree that any cartoonist or any person for that matter can say or draw whatever they want. MUCH too much is being made out of this and it's clearly religious radicals out of control between the bombings of embassies, etc. That said, it's not a funny cartoon. It depicts Mohammed, who isn't even supposed to be depicted at all according to Islam, with a bomb as a turban. What is funny about that? Ironic, maybe. But funny? Not so much. Do you remember how many Christians were up in arms when Madonna used a black man to portray Jesus in a video? And that was a stinking VIDEO for crying out loud. Just like this - it's a cartoon or charicature. But many people got angry, because it depicts their spiritual leader in a negative light. Clearly this situation is ridiculously out of control. However, I don't think the cartoon is funny. And I don't really think that most Christians would take it lightly if someone depicted Jesus as a war monger who attacks other nations for no good reason. The response is the problem here, not the cartoon. But I don't agree that people should just be told to "lighten up" when their diety is impuned.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA You know, Inspector 57, I would hope that even with the limited contact that you and I have had over the years her at LP.com, that you would know I don't approve of someone murdering someone else. On the other hand, maybe you don't know that about me, and I shouldn't assume. Let the record state that I don't approve of someone murdering someone else. I guess that's why, Inspector 57, that I found your comment to be a bit confrontational. To you, if someone says 'I think an abortion is okay' -- it appears that you're already jumping to 'so you think murder is okay?' Didn't realize it was so black and white.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<To you, if someone says 'I think an abortion is okay' -- it appears that you're already jumping to 'so you think murder is okay?'>> AAAAAUUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!! No, Jim, that's NOT what I think! I DON'T think that you think murder is okay! The great divide over abortion centers over whether people think that abortion is equal to murder or not. The whole thing is way too muddy. At what point is a fetus a viable human? Is there such a thing as a soul? Etc., etc. You DON'T think that abortion = murder. You may think that abortion is a less-than-desirable action/outcome/whatever, but you apparently don't see it as the equivalent to walking up to someone in a mall and putting a bullet in their brain. Other people DO equate the two actions. For THEM, abortion = murder. Sorry, Jim. You are one of the posters whose thoughts I respect in WE and on LP in general. It frustrates me that I'm not getting through on this.
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Originally Posted By thereit is >>It depicts Mohammed, who isn't even supposed to be depicted at all according to Islam, with a bomb as a turban. What is funny about that? Ironic, maybe. But funny? Not so much. << you know what.......... Muslims should not draw Muhammad then. But Muslims need to be told that we don't follow Muhammad, and we in no way need to follow their rules. Time for Muslims to grow up, and understand that most people in the world are not Muslims and never want to be. Oh and by the way, the running out of virgins cartoon was very funny because there is a lot of truth in it.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Liberals are always saying how wonderful Islam is and yet Islam hates everything liberals love. They will cut the head off a gay person if he comes out in most Muslim country's, yet liberals defend Islam. And even more funny Liberals hate Christians who love the Bible and try to follow it.>> Welcome to LP, thereit is! I see that this is your first post. I think you'll be comfortable here. You'll find that there are plenty of others who are unintelligent as you are and who reduce all issues to "liberals vs. everyone else" and are as incapable of actual on-topic discussion as you seem to be. Not to mention that there are lots like you who post under multiple screen names. So... join us in the actual topic at hand. Do you think that the press should avoid offending the religious majority?
