Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>They have NOT!<< <a href="http://www.cair-net.org/" target="_blank">http://www.cair-net.org/</a>
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Kar2oonMan, I would advise you to stop locating these types of links. Thank you. Beaumandy, why don't you and your gay neighbor get together and start protesting? It would be a beautiful show of solidarity.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I guess I'm just saying that it's easy to see the outrage about this cartoon as over the top and crazy. And I would agree that it is. But removing the violent part of it, (which i think most of us agree is wrong), just for the sake of discussion, at some point there might be a cartoon that would offend us at some level. It could be something racial, socio-economic, anti-semetic, anti-Christian, anti-American, etc. I'm just wondering how far each of us would have to be pushed before the "just get over it" line wouldn't be sufficient? Do Muslims (again, taking the violence out of this) have a valid gripe?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Tom, if Christians were constantly committing murders in the name of Chriatianity you would have the BIGGEST protest the coounty has ever seen by Christians who would show the world this is not what Chrisitanty is. Muslims don't do this and you know it. Why even try and argue the point? Also, there are anti Christian cartoons, stories, " art " and other items being put out daily. Do I like it? No Do I demand they stop with their views. No again. You libs like to talk about tolerance, yet you bend over backwards to defgend Muslims who have ZERO tolerance. I haver Tom making excuses on here and not K2man is falling for CAIR lip service. K2man, make no mistake, CAIR is a terrorist support group who doesn't regognize Israel as a country who has a right to exist. CAIR is like the mobs spokesperson who insists Gotti got his money from selling Plumbing Supplies and that he has no links to organized crime. You going to beleive this spokesperson also?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I take that back toon --5 people out of 2 Billion! You can't argue with this one. To Jim----------funny to Beau!!!!!!!!)
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Yes---------BUT that is the if! They kill infidels. 2oon What part of that is negotiable to a clear thinking American? They want to kill us. We Christians want to convert them> they want to kill us! See difference?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<I don't think there's a lot of anger in the worldwide Muslim community about Islamic terrorism because it isn't the norm for them.>> This is from Neil Boortz website. <<Muslim outrage huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just some lowlights: Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage. Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage. Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage. A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage. Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage. Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage. Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage. Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage. Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage. Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage. Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.>> There have been over 2,600 different acts of "terrorism" committed by Muslims since 9-11.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Boortz makes my point perfectly... or his point.. whatever.. Europe is about to cave AGAIN and let the Muslims tell them what they can and can't say. Pretty soon the Euro weenies will have no free speech at all because of liberal PC policies and their cowardice against bully, rioting Muslims. Do we want to take this route in America?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Thanks KT but for some reason "The other Tom" doesn't get Americans outrage that the Muslims are NOT outraged if the perpetrators are indeed JUST the lunatic fringe of Islam as we have our very own lunatic fringe. We, clear thinking Americans have to extrapolate the the generic Muslim populace is at LEAST giving their tacit approbation for the violence by their NON-action.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>CAIR is a terrorist support group who doesn't regognize Israel as a country who has a right to exist<< That may be the case. However, you don't think Iran has a right to exist. You called for "turning it into a parking lot" as I recall. Can you explain how your views are any different, other than in the targets you would choose?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Iran needs new leaders K2man. The people of Iran are prisoners of Taliban type Mullahs and now have a madman as their president. This madman is now trying to build a nuclear bomb, all while he says Israel needss to be wiped off the map. Why does he say this about Israel?? Because the Koran tells him so. So I have no problem with Iran.. I have a problem with their leaders. And yes, if Iraq gets a nuke and Israel is in danger of being wpied out.... which is VERY real possibility..it's parking lot time for Tehran.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>The people of Iran are prisoners of Taliban type Mullahs and now have a madman as their president.<< Oh, so you've modified your position? Good thing we didn't "push the button" back when you wanted to a few months ago, isn't it?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Last night, after the game, I saw many experts saying we have to move angainst Iran. There is NO choice as the United Nations IS trying but is basically impotent.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer These riots are isolated in one small corner of the Muslim world. The huge Muslim populations in western China, in South Asia, in Indonesia and the Phillipines are not rioting. The vast majority of Muslims are not Arabs. I've been to conferences with local Islamic leaders, and they responded to our concerns with Terrorism in the same way that I respond to non-Christians who think that all Christians are like Pat Robertson or Jimmy Swaggart or that all Catholic priests are pederasts. I'll try to explain that they aren't, but deep-seated prejudices are hard to win over. And when there are places like the Middle East, where Islam has taken a hate-filled fundamentalist streak, it makes it a tougher sell to those who see only what they want to see.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Okay Tom and I will continue to keep my eyes open all over the media but I have not seen much so far except the rioting. Let's see the news tonight--every channel including Fox, and you too Tom don't just see what you want to see by acknowledging you don't watch fox or whatever.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<These riots are isolated in one small corner of the Muslim world.>> The riots might be isolated but the violence certainly isn't. Muslim violence is wide spread and all over the globe. Muslim violence is not a rare occurance. It is happening on a daily basis and that my point.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan CCJ -- the broadcast media, and i mean all of it, is very limited in the scope of the stuff they cover. You have to seek out information from a lot more if you want to know what else is going on in the world.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Oh, so you've modified your position? Good thing we didn't "push the button" back when you wanted to a few months ago, isn't it?>> No, my position has always been the same. The leadership of Iran is the most dangerous in the world BY FAR. They are putting their people in the position where the West is going to be forced to attack Iran thus their population will pay the price. I would rather level Iran than have them get a nuclear bomb, that much is true. The reason for this is that they really think if they wipe Israel off the map, or if they destroy enough " infidels " they are going to be blessed by Allah. Basically, Iran is a liberals living nighmare that they are always saying we are going to become if the Chrisitan right gets to much power. See how ignorant the left is?
