Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Please, fkurucz, you keep claiming you are conservative, but I can't recall one time you have argued for a conservative position or said one positive thing about a conservative. Maybe the liberals will believe your story, because they love to believe their narratives, but nobody conservative will believe you.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I call you liberals because you have proven over and over again that is what you are.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I call you liberals because you have proven over and over again that is what you are.<< Of course I'm a liberal. Happily so. The key difference is what you think that says about me, instead of what it really says about me.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I call you liberals because you have proven over and over again that is what you are.<< People like you sent me running from the GOP. With the likes of you and Beaumandy, who would want to be associated with the right? You guys are great at creating more liberals with your dispiriting view of the world.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>they love to believe their narratives<< Says the guy whose party has a candidate claiming the UC system doesn't offer American history courses. LOL If the irony were any bigger it'd need its own zip code.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer What's the point of applying a label at all, other than to pigeonhole someone into a convenient category? Is it only to dismiss someone's point of view out of hand? "Oh he's just a lib/right-winger, so of course his opinion is wrong." There are some issues where my positions fall firmly in the same place as today's conservatives, generally when it comes to state's rights. There are some where they fall firmly into the left, such as the advantages of single-payer healthcare and the problems caused in American society by unchecked access to power by the wealthy. But if you just label me as a conservative or a liberal you aren't going to be open to a discussion about the issues at hand. It doesn't allow for the broad mix of opinions that all of us have about things. We shouldn't be making the intellectual shortcuts of labeling ourselves and others. On some issues, I'm very conservative. On others, very liberal. Call me any label that you want, but it is a convenient lie that you tell yourself so that you can just categorically insist that I'm wrong.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I call you liberals because you have proven over and over again that is what you are." Masochist Boy, I don't give a f- what you think a conservative is. I'm still registered GOP, and as K2M said, it's your type that has drivens countless normal conservatives away from the party. I never voted Democrat in my life until I voted for Obama, because McCain caved in to whackos like yourself and picked Palin. And as I've said time again, I was one of the last holdouts here defending Bush and the Iraq War until it became obvious the entire thing was a sham. Up yours.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Douglas, coat check has your invisibility cloak. Remember to pick it up on your way back to Lurksville.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb >>>please stop lying.<<< What is this? Kindergarten? I fully expect to start hearing "Mom, he's touching me again". Don't make me pull this thread over.
Originally Posted By Labuda "Douglas was the one who came up with Jar Jar Binks. True story." Dudeeeeeeeeeee, no need to be hateful, Tom! And, btw, I like Jar-Jar!
Originally Posted By fkurucz "Please, fkurucz, you keep claiming you are conservative, but I can't recall one time you have argued for a conservative position or said one positive thing about a conservative." Then you are either a liar or have terrible memory. I am on record here as being pro life for one. Others here will remember that I am a Catholic and believe in the Catholic definition of marriage as well. And I have butted heads with them over those issues in the past. Being "conservative" does not mean: Being pro war Being a gun nut Being against the poor Being racist Being against having a national health system (which all modern nations have), some for over 100 years. etc. Your attack, accusing me of not being a "true conservative" is typical of what I have experienced from the neo-fascist right. I fail the "purity test" therefore I am not "conservative" by their definition. But if being a conservative means being a fascist, then I suppose I am not a "conservative" anymore. But I posit that it's pro war, pro violence nut jobs who have hijacked the movement. The sad thing is that it used to be the Dems who got us into wars. Now it's the "conservatives" who drag us into the quagmires. And for the record, I'm not a Democrat. Never have been, and never will be. But again, it's people like you you have driven me out of the GOP.
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