Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<A well-behaved child can go to any of these places (provided, of course, that the entertainment is age appropriate; parents who bring their children to violent/scary entertainment is a different issue). Children learn through the experience of doing these things. Good parents expose their children to these experiences. If the child gets wiggly or noisy, it's time to step out, either temporarily or for the duration.>> I strongly disagree. People like this make things miserable for the rest of us. I am not saying never take your child out of the house. I AM saying that junior can learn to be quiet in a matinee just as easily as in an evening show. He/she can learn how to behave at a family restaurant just as easily as at a fine dining restaurant. There are certain types of places/events where ADULTS should be able to go and be reasonably certain that they will not have their experience degraded by young children. That is not unreasonable. To bring a child to an adult place is incredibly rude. Children SHOULD be seen and heard. By their PARENTS. They should no be inflicted upon the rest of the world in inappropriate situations. Better buy some more Windex.
Originally Posted By MissCandice RT is a boob. *This is an attempt at humor. I am in no way inferring that Roadie is actually a boob, even though he has them he is not one. Please don't delete my post as I am only trying to get back on topic.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip No moobs here (man boobs). But agree that breasts are much more interesting than parenting.
Originally Posted By Mrs 2oon <<And, to vent about the La Leche league. I had *two* counselors who were militant and hostile when I was unable to feed my first son who was 8 weeks >> Beamerdog....you don't know how good this makes me feel that I'm not alone!
Originally Posted By scottie In the men's room I'd feel more comfortable if other guys used the empty urinal across from me instead of the one directly beside me, but whatcha gonna do? No matter how much I would like everyone to follow my code of personal space there's always going to be instances where I'm going to have to accomodate others... even if that means compromising my own level of comfort at times. With that being said, I would feel uncomfortable while sharing a bench with a mom breast feeding covered, and more so if it wasn't covered. At the same time I would not think someone was being rude or tactless by doing so. I'd move before someone accused me of sneaking a peak. I have brutal friends.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I wonder what the mother in question would say if she knew her actions started this topic.
Originally Posted By jdub <><>I strongly disagree. People like this make things miserable for the rest of us. I am not saying never take your child out of the house. I AM saying that junior can learn to be quiet in a matinee just as easily as in an evening show. He/she can learn how to behave at a family restaurant just as easily as at a fine dining restaurant. There are certain types of places/events where ADULTS should be able to go and be reasonably certain that they will not have their experience degraded by young children. That is not unreasonable. To bring a child to an adult place is incredibly rude.<>< I don't go to adult places, even with adults. If you need to be carded to go in, I'm not even there, so have fun. You don't know me or my child's behavior enough to label us being in public "incredibly rude." You don't have the right to tell people not to take their kids out to an 8pm movie. If people of ANY age create a disruption within an establishment, you DO have the right to complain to management. My child has never been the one creating the disruption; when he's gotten close, I've picked him up & stepped out. That is our practice. Not everyone has the common courtesy of your typical LPer, but don't hold the behavior of the ill-behaved against the rest of us, Please and Thank You. (I know I communicate in an "interesting way"; I hope you understand from what I'm saying that I hate screaming kids and oblivious parents as much as the next person)
Originally Posted By Mrs 2oon We took 2oonlet 1 everywhere we went. She was always well behaved and never acted up or cried in public. 2oonlet 2 had more of a difficult time controlling his crying and "fidgetyness" so we didn't take him to near the amount of public places we took 2oonlet 1, but we still took him out to family-type places. When he started acting up, 2oony would take him out to the car until he could behave. When he decided that he could behave he was brought back into the restaurant or wherever we were. Because my kids were exposed to all types of situations they know how to act in public today. They are 11 and 14 (she would "almost 15") and I would take them anywhere without worrying about their behavior. Just my opinion.
Originally Posted By Ursula I can attest that Toonlette 1 has excellent "thank you" skills. <When he started acting up, 2oony would take him out to the car until he could behave> And AMEN to this. You'd be amazed how many people in L.A. can't, won't, and refuse to do this.
Originally Posted By Ursula <You don't have the right to tell people not to take their kids out to an 8pm movie> You are right I don't have the right, but I sure can mutter under my breath that a five-year old (or younger) should be home in bed at this time while I'm out enjoying an evening with my husband.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<<Because my kids were exposed to all types of situations they know how to act in public today.>>> Yep, they can butter rolls with the best of them!! ;>
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan ROFL! (Lisa's comments are based on the fact that at the Golden Doobies dinner, my son, rather than slicing the dinner rolls in half, instead slathered butter on top of the roll, like he was icing a cupcake or something, and then chowed down. I was mortified. Mrs. 2oon, give up the ghost. Some of these people have seen our kids in action. It's no use.)
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Oh, and my daughter thought the little scoops of butter at the table were some sort of pillow mint. She picked one up and popped it in her mouth. We take 'em out a lot, just not to anyplace fancy, obviously. (Mrs. 2oon reminded me of Blacksheep Uncle's comment regarding the way my son buttered the roll -- "It looked like a Pop Tart." LOL!)
Originally Posted By trailsend <<>>Maybe I'm blessed with super-siblings(-in-law) and super friends, but... That scenario is totally contrary to my experience. The dads in my life aren't slugs who defer to the women to take care of the hard parts of parenting<<>> Inspector ~ hey, didn't mean to really generalize too much. My husband was wonderful with our children. I just have noticed this lately when in restaurants. And I'm very glad to hear the dads whom you know are doing their part.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<You don't know me or my child's behavior enough to label us being in public "incredibly rude." You don't have the right to tell people not to take their kids out to an 8pm movie. If people of ANY age create a disruption within an establishment, you DO have the right to complain to management. My child has never been the one creating the disruption; when he's gotten close, I've picked him up & stepped out. That is our practice. Not everyone has the common courtesy of your typical LPer, but don't hold the behavior of the ill-behaved against the rest of us, Please and Thank You.>> Frankly my dear, I don't give a darn. When you are my age you will think exactly like I do. God, in his great wisdom, makes parents blind to the actions of their own children. If he didn't, few would live past childhood. It is all good, and in the end you will see the light.
Originally Posted By cstephens Kar2oonMan wrote: > Oh, and my daughter thought the little scoops of butter at the table were some sort of pillow mint. She picked one up and popped it in her mouth. I'm sorry I missed that! What was her reaction when she realized what it was? A friend had told me of a similar case when a dinner companion unfamiliar with sushi decided to pop the entire ball of "guacamole" in his mouth - not knowing it was wasabi. /cs
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