Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Is anyone able to make out what the image is on the front of the teen's t-shirt in the "hit" picture?
Originally Posted By GoofBall The CM is saying "it" was self defense but he has not said he DID hit his face on purpose. I know legally it would be foolish for him to confirm it but it still leaves me reason to believe it was more of a sloppy scuffle than an intentional face punch. To just say Tigger should have stepped away is way to easy. He was surrounded by little ones that he could have stepped on. I guess he should have just backflipped over that railing :rollseyes: I agree that the terms self defense and provocation just add to the assault idea. I also am sick of the word "boy" being used to describe this kid. He is as tall as an adult and old enough to know better (also can be tried as an adult and bets are he will be some day for something)
Originally Posted By cinderella143also Tigger did try to step to the right. I just watch the clip a few times in a row to make sure. He tried to step to the right (my right) and the kid literally trips as Tigger is trying to move because the teen is holding onto him. Also, Tigger was trying to reach for the kids hand as you can see at the end when he gives him a hand shake. This kid is a punk teen. I work with teens every day and the way they dress says a lot about their attitude. The baggy pants, the chain, the gloves, the cutoff tee. I love how when he went on TV they dressed him as the "nerdy kid." They gave him a sleeved tee, pants that fit, had him sit slouched, gave him a hair cut, etc. This family deserves nothing from Disney except like someone said earlier to be banned from the park. People like this can ruin a good thing for everyone!!!
Originally Posted By SoThisIsLove You have to hand it to the CM's...they have a tough job. My DD worked at Sea World (am I allowed to mention that?) in high school and was Penny the Penguin. One day, she came out for the kids (with her handler nearby, and played peekaboo with a small child around a pole and chipped her beak. Take two: after a break (and a new head), she came back out for more adventures.....promptly tripped over her webbed foot and fell on all fours. Her new Penny head flew off and landed some distance away, much to the dismay/amusement of the guests. It's a wonder she didn't get the daylights sued out of her for traumatizing a generation of children, but then again, it was back in the '90's. (Yep, she was still employed after breaking the only two Penny heads available at the time....she absolutely adored her job and the kids)
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<This kid is a punk teen. I work with teens every day and the way they dress says a lot about their attitude. The baggy pants, the chain, the gloves, the cutoff tee.>> Yeah, and don't forget long hair, tattooes and piercings; only punks wear those too. Of course, judging people by their accents and clothing is a something that non-punk "quality" people do. It warms my heart to hear stories from teachers who judge teens as good or bad based on their clothing. Kudos, that sort of thing takes a lot of heart.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 You took the words right out of my mouth Mele. It's what has been disturbing me about this thread all along. I don't doubt the suspicious behavior of the father or that maybe the kid was being a punk. However all the comments about their clothing, looks and accents has greatly disturbed me.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> However all the comments about their clothing greatly disturbed me. << My comments about the clothing are not about WHAT he was wearing, so much as the significant CHANGE in what he was wearing in the park, and then a short time later on TV. Why not the same clothes on TV as in the park?
Originally Posted By Lisann22 That's fine ssWEDguy. I get that. I have to ask does anyone here know the timeline as to when it happen and when they were interviewed. I am NOT defending them but none of you ever go back to the hotel and change your clothes?
Originally Posted By dltraveler I agree with ssWEDguy. I don't care what someone wears, but the difference between the kid's appearance in the incident and then after gives me pause. It's a little too thought-through. The fact that they were so quick to consider and modify how he comes across to the media makes you wonder about their motives.
Originally Posted By dltraveler I agree with ssWEDguy. I don't care what someone wears, but the difference between the kid's appearance in the incident and then after gives me pause. It's a little too thought-through. The fact that they were so quick to consider and modify how he comes across to the media makes you wonder about their motives.
Originally Posted By DAR <<but none of you ever go back to the hotel and change your clothes?>> The times I've been there, I'm at the parks all day so I've never changed my clothes until the very end of the day. The accent thing doesn't bother me either, it's just where they come from. I still think this family is a bunch of dopes and in the end their only hurting themselves.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I dress in different clothing for different occasions. If I'm going to a theme park in a warm location...t-shirts and shorts. If I am going to be interviewed, I put on nicer clothing. Is that really such a stretch? Wouldn't "civilized" people dress nicer to be on tv? We know that coal mining hicks don't. I think the family IS blowing this out of proportion but I also think that maybe the person playing Tigger might need more training, or maybe a better spot to greet guests where there is no railing or something. Don't characters have a way of signaling for assistance? Does ripping these people apart really help anything? Do we really know everything that happened there? No, we don't.
Originally Posted By DAR The problem is they're also doing serious damage because now people are going to question everytime something happens to a guest could be legitmately hurt instead of what happened here. <<I dress in different clothing for different occasions. If I'm going to a theme park in a warm location...t-shirts and shorts. If I am going to be interviewed, I put on nicer clothing. Is that really such a stretch?>> You forget I'm a male, I only wear what's necessary for that day.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<The problem is they're also doing serious damage because now people are going to question everytime something happens to a guest could be legitmately hurt instead of what happened here.>> Maybe in some cases but I think it's pretty clear that the vast majority of people aren't buying their story. Other than the media, that is.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Exactly, please don't misunderstand my viewpoint. I do not think they are innocent by a mile.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy No, ripping doesn't help. I'm not happy with all that either. I'm trying to respond only by what I've actually seen myself, and what I know about characters. And for that matter, what pieces of the puzzle that I don't know or haven't heard yet. I don't have the exact timeline here -- but I've been following this since the "news" story "broke." (hard to keep from choking here....) It would appear that the event happened in the park in the late morning or early afternoon. I believe the TV interviews were done later in the same day, within hours of "the incident." And no argument -- I'd change clothes and clean up if I was going to be interviewed on TV. But I'd hope the interview would be for something other than a senseless "event" like this.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> maybe the person playing Tigger might need more training << Maybe. That's true of all of us. But I've worked with characters a LOT, and from what I've seen I think Tigger responded quite well here. The "hit" was an accident. He was trying to brush the guest's offending hand away, and caught him awkwardly. And not hard, either. >> Don't characters have a way of signaling for assistance? << Yes, they do. And they use it well. But when the action on them is more direct, they also have trained methods to protect themselves. And they use them well too. None of these methods include retribution. Once they've stabilized the situation, they can continue, or they can leave. That's it.
Originally Posted By cinderella143also mele- I never said anything about judging my students but oh! You wouldn't know that because you don't know me so YOU are making a judgement. I never said that I did not like my students or that I judged my students who dress that way, in fact, 9/10 they are the students that I get to know the best and years later, they are the ones that come back to visit. I said, and I quote: "the way they dress says a lot about their attitude." This means likes, dislikes,etc. The way anyone dresses reflects who they are to some degree. The colors they like, the music they like, the styles they like, etc. The reason I was pointing the clothing out was to point out the significant change in look during and after. But I have to say I love the way people are jumping to conclusions and juding others while pointing the fingers and saying don't judge! So Mele- Kudos to you! It takes a lot of courage to contradict yourself like that.
