Originally Posted By sherrytodd If you watch the video, Tigger was grabbing his head and trying to push the kid away. I think that poor innocent little punching bag was trying to knock Tigger's head off.
Originally Posted By Labuda I'm sure Tigger is innocent. And, egads - Daddy is a HORRID videographer! After seeing the post about speech patterns, I admit I watched it muted and just the incident itself - didn't need to hear poor usage of the English language this early on a weekend.
Originally Posted By TP2000 I made the post about speech patterns and accents. I spent many years living up and down the East Coast, and am thrilled to death to be back living on the West Coast. I didn't mean for my comment to sound so impolite, but Mr. Monaco has a jarring voice and extremely unattractive accent. It made me scrunch up my nose and wince in pain just listening to him. I honestly do wonder how much longer people will hold on to grating accents like that. That accent does nothing for Mr. Monaco's case in my opinion. It makes him sound like a sleazy used car salesman trying to sell a sedan with a big three body trunk to Tony Soprano.
Originally Posted By barboy This story is overblown. Here's an angle: notice that the boy has very fair or light skin. He claims that Tigger struck him hard. No way! If tigger would have gave him a hard slap then his white skin would show some swelling or at the least redness. His skin was perfectly consistent on both sides of his face therefore he was physically unaffected. Also, notice Tigger's movements. He appears to be falling backwards slightly as if he is off balance. Maybe Tigger moved his arms in a slapping like fashion to regain balance, just maybe. But who knows.
Originally Posted By tiggerdis_ Oh come on Mr. Monaco - look at your son. He was definitely holding on to Tigger's back - doing something because when Tigger comes around with his/her left hand Monaco Junior was still holding on. Little Creep
Originally Posted By bloona hey thats right, why didnt the lad just move his arm away when Tigger turned, instead of it looking trapped as it did. Bit more sceptical with every post I read.....mmmmmmmmmmm. I hope we hear the out come of this.
Originally Posted By teddibubbles Why does everyone think the Kid had to be wrong? if Disney management made The tigger guy go? If it WAS just a freek thing. then the CM could have said so!.. AND WHY didn't he Come out and say so as he KNEW they were mad? / him getting in trouble ? AND the dad FIRST thought that his Son did something to provoke it! you can hear him say so! .. Mild or not a slap. YOU would be upset if a person did ANYTHING to your kid! if it was unprovoked! I don't think this was the case! or the Disney people WOULD have said so! And I myself NARKED on a bad CM. when in front of all the people siting WAITING for the start of a parade. the costumed person grabbed a kids BIG NEW stuffed toy and started beating it with his fist. then drop kicked it up in the air . thus hitting the ground. 2 times and took off! several of us were mad and grabbed the CMs and told what happed. they had to give the kid a new toy! ( no big deal to some people! ) yet for one some kids LOVE the toys ! not want to see it get hurt! #2 The BIG toys cost alot of money! it was not that CMs toy to abuse! So Its only peoples love of disney that makes them feel it HAS to be a BAD person at falt! never a CM. .. WRONG! people are people no mater their JOB!
Originally Posted By Lisann22 I'm kinda with Teddibubbles here. I can't seem to read into the video what everyone else here is. Yeah, it looks like the kid "might" be holding on to Tigger but why or what he is doing I can't tell. I can barely see that Tigger brings up his left hand to the front of his face but holding his head on, I'm not seeing that. It looks like a left hook to me. How hard I have no clue? Intentional, I have no clue? It's not that evident to me what exactly happen from that video. The odds are more in favor that Tigger is in the right but I can't say that is 100% accurate in this case.
Originally Posted By teddibubbles "It's not that evident to me what exactly happen from that video. The odds are more in favor that Tigger is in the right but I can't say that is 100% accurate in this case." But even IF the kid grabbed him. he could have backed away! not grabbed his arm then smacked him! AND I cant get over the FACT ! all they wanted was the Guy to come out and tell them it was a mistake / say he was sorry! The management DIDN'T say "oh he thought he was going to harm him." after talking to the CM. they disaplined the CM. so what is up with blameing the kid?
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Tigger won't come out to say anything because Tigger is Tigger. The CM who "is his friend" will not make a public appearance. If he's wrong, he will be gone. If he's right, Disney will pay anyway rather than push this, and he'll get a reprimand. Whatta maroon. Teaching your kid how to beat the system, instead of owning up to personal responsibility.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<we have spoken to the cast member in question and have reacted very strongly toward him>> What a weird thing to say. teddi, in cases like this, sometimes a person is suspended while the case is investigated even if a person is thought to be innocent. It's better for Disney if they do not let this person work until they make a final decision. To me it looked like kind of like the boy and Tigger were playing, rough housing. It doesn't look like the hit was hard. Plus, Tigger might have made more contact than he meant to (as usually happens when people start rough housing.) It didn't look like a "slug" and I highly doubt the kid was hurt by this (unless the kid has some sort of medical problems that would make him more fragile than the average teenage boy.)
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Look -- None of us really knows what happened. So it's wrong to assume either side is at fault until you know more of the truth. But -- I have seen the video. I know what "I see" in that video. Of course, everyone's interpretation of "what they see in it" depends on the individual. I also know a lot about how Disney works. So I would have expected that the family had been apologized to in a big way, even if they were thought to be partially at fault. No way an entertainment CM is going to come out to give a personal apology to some guest. The manager will do that for Tigger, and that should be sufficient. It's just like mom or dad apologizing for the actions of one of their kids. "They'll be properly punished for what they did." You don't have to parade the kid out on top of everything else. What -- it will help to make him cry in public? What none of us know is -- what transpired after "the incident?" What actions did Disney take? Was the guest mostly satisfied as a result? And then possibly changed his mind later?
Originally Posted By debtee I don't think liking "Disney" has anything to do with this incident. The characters have acts to follow and at the end of the tape Tigger was being friendly to the kid rubbing his head, that's not what happens after you have slugged someone intentionally in the face. Tigger didn't move away from the kid, he stayed playing with him and the kid was not complaining then! The other relatives in the front were smiling the enitre time so they didn't notice any agression happening! I also find the kids clothing change a bit suspicious! If there was a legimate case so be it, however I believe this is a drummed up story and I hope Disney speak to Tigger for his opinion and don't cave into this family or as someone else said earlier, it will soon be a situation where the characters posing with guests, will be a thing of the past!
Originally Posted By AuroraRose it did look like he was doing something behind his back---almost like he was trying to push his costume up off his head!!
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost OK, all of you look at the tape again and notice that Tigger is indeed falling backwards and looks like he is losing his balance. In that costume with limited vision one would reach out to grab whatever they could to gain their balance. Instinctive reaction. Any one of us would do the same thing. The key phrase in this whole scenario is the one containing the word "unprovoked". Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. This is the case here, I am sure. If it was unprovoked then there is no reason for it to happen and there must be some other explanation. Sometimes the simplest of explanations are the most accurate.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Indeed, but am I the only one who feels this has been blown WAY out of proportion? A law suit???!!! Jeese.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 It's been blown out of proportion in SO many ways. I don't like what the family has done in the aftermath but I think it's just hugely overblown. I just have a problem with all the speculation of what happen.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Agreed Lisa, there is nothing to say this kid is at fault. He might be, he might not. The hit may have been an accident (I think likely), it may not. But a lawsuit and the media attention is pure overkill.
