Originally Posted By sjhym33 Sitting here listening to the original Tiki Room show as I read thru this topic. I miss the old show. I think with a couple of small edits and some upgraded effects it would be wonderful to have it back. I HATE the new show. I sat thru it again a couple of months ago when a friend was in town and I still cant stand it. My friend however liked it.
Originally Posted By tashajilek I have to agree slightly with Manfried. I have not been to WDW but DL many times. Same issues, food cost's more, they stopped selling special merch in each land. When i look back at what DL was when it first opened would i prefer that? Heck no, there was not much to do and in this day in age it would be boring. I know comparing WDW and DL is the same thing, but seems like they are both seeing the same changes.
Originally Posted By magnet >>>You know everyone complains about the quality going downhill. "I remember how good it used to be..." Memory about Disney is always going to be better than the actual. Particularly as the place gets older.<<< When some people criticize the Disney Parks for becoming less than they once were, others can be quick to point out the advancements that have occurred over the years. Of course, Disney has gone beyond the original Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. Yes, there are now four main gates in Orlando when there used to be only one. However, this kind of pound-for-pound comparison with the past is a way of viewing the parks that actually is symptomatic of the problems that the "nostalgics" here often point out. Weighing past and present guest experiences at the park by tabulating numbers of attractions and advancements in technology of course stacks the deck in favor of the present. Yet, it's also an accountant's way of measuring progress. This type of view pays little attention to how the park is measuring up to fulfilling the vision of its founder. The dollar is replacing the guest as the honored visitor of the park. P&R seems to see the parks only as tools for extracting money from those who visit. Yes, to a certain extent that still means giving the guest quality experiences, but less and less so as time goes on. With each round of cutting back, it becomes easier to do something that was once unthinkable. Raise food prices, cut merchandise, scale back on that new attraction, reduce maintenance, and linger for years on the successes created by past vision and leadership. The good in Disney that now is came to be because of the management decades ago. However, the current management has placed the parks on a declining arc. The synergy of what remains won't disappear instantly, just as it took years to grow into what it now is (even though some parks already peaked years ago), but eventually fifteen years later you might visit and say, "what happened?" Then you'll know how some people here feel. It will have little to do with how "wooden" the old animatronics used to be. We can only hope that the current downward path is one that will turn around as time goes on and leadership changes. Hopefully, the parks are strong enough to survive periods of stagnating vision and uninspired leadership.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>That scenerio will break the generational chain that exists now.<<< Already happening. Remember my " Mantle Picture Effect" hypothesis? Uni is the same as Disney. .
Originally Posted By Manfried You know what magnet? You are wrong. Period. I was at Disneyland a month ago and it looked better than ever. People like you and others who constantly - and I mean constantly - complain that the "quality is not what it once was" have gotten way to close to the parks. Sure, some of them need work and those complaints should be made, but they should be specific. The constant generalizations about quality not being there in a general way fall on deaf ears because it is about the money. Yes, Disney is selling an experience but believe me if that experience did not deliver there would be no money and things would change. But making general comments as many do here and on other sites that the "quality is not what it once was" is a hollow argument. Step back for a moment and take a break. Go to an inner city and work with some real poor people then return to the parks with some new eyes. You will be glad you did.
Originally Posted By Terminus I've only watched the "Under New Management" on youtube, but it looks HORRIBLE! My son is almost two and LOVES the Tiki Room. I mean "LOVES" as in, you can't walk past it without going in there, or he's throwing a fit. He sings a lot of the words to the songs. He tries to whistle by squealing when the birds get to that part of the show... He drums on my belly when that part comes around. A show that's 46 or 47 years old... They did something right. I know it's nostalgic, and it won't be popular with him when he's a teenager, probably, unless I can instill some of my respect/love for the nostalga in him, but I'd really hate for it to be gone, like the Country Bears, which I think he'd really love too! I know I'm probably in the minority, since everyone wants new and better stuff. New doesn't mean it will be better. Look at "Under New Management"! Also, one of the best things at Disneyland is the fact that my son and I can do so much TOGETHER. Throw in another Indiana Jones or Star Tours, and it's just something that I can ride and he can't. Together is what makes it better for me. That's my biggest complaint with Knott's Berry Farm now, and why I don't go anymore. Besides the mine train, there's nothing for us to do together... Anyway, that's a different topic. Long live the Tiki Room!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper << I was at Disneyland >> Well there you go. Most of us(at least I know I am), aren't talking about DL.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>hate for it to be gone, like the Country Bears, which I think he'd really love too!<<<< Saw that for the first time in 10-12 years this weekend...Loved it. I had forgotten how good it was. Original, quirky, fun. Just like the Tiki Room.
Originally Posted By sjhym33 Disneyland and WDW are two different beasts. Even Disney treats them differently internally. The reason DL looks better kept is because Corporate knows that DL's main audience is local. They understand you have to maintain the park or you risk losing the core of your business. And of course they are a lot smaller than WDW so maintaining is a whole different excersize. WDW's audience is mainly tourists. They come, spend some time, then leave and may not return for years. WDW mgmt knows that fact. The reality at WDW is that the parks are not kept as well as they were or as DL is. As a CM who has been there for 25+ years I can tell you that it is different. We see it onstage and backstage.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Saw that for the first time in 10-12 years this weekend...Loved it. I had forgotten how good it was. Original, quirky, fun. Just like the Tiki Room.>> CBJ is infinitely better than the original Tiki Room, IMO. I actually look forward to CBJ. I've never really loved the Tiki Room, even the original.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>WDW's audience is mainly tourists. They come, spend some time, then leave and may not return for years. WDW mgmt knows that fact. The reality at WDW is that the parks are not kept as well as they were or as DL is. As a CM who has been there for 25+ years I can tell you that it is different. We see it onstage and backstage.<<< Bad show, IMHO. You should maintain the parks to the best of your ability REGARDLESS who is seeing it.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>CBJ is infinitely better than the original Tiki Room, IMO. I actually look forward to CBJ. I've never really loved the Tiki Room, even the original.<<< I have, but I prefer CBJ, now. That was great. Really have a new appreciation for that.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Bad show, IMHO. You should maintain the parks to the best of your ability REGARDLESS who is seeing it.>> Of course they should. but why do it when 75-80% of the guests that visit each year won't know the difference? <<I have, but I prefer CBJ, now. That was great. Really have a new appreciation for that.>> CBJ still needs a real refurb though. The sound got overhauled, but the AAs need help still.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>CBJ still needs a real refurb though. The sound got overhauled, but the AAs need help still.<< Yeah, quite a few were creaky.. >> Of course they should. but why do it when 75-80% of the guests that visit each year won't know the difference?<< Even so...because it just looks bad?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I have, but I prefer CBJ, now. That was great. Really have a new appreciation for that. << I don't know how anyone can dislike a Disney attraction that includes the lines, "Mama, don't whoop little Buford / I think you should shoot him instead." So edgy!! (Not really, but quite amusing...even for the adults in the room. Now there's an idea for MK!)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I cracked up...and then was promptly surprised that that had not been nixed.
Originally Posted By MousDad <<I have not herd anyone singing any of the new songs from the tiki room but the old I hear all the time>> Timeless, original compositions by geniuses in their field tend to be more singable than works that are simply lame lyrics added to a remixed, preexisting track like most high-schoolers can do on their ipod.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I cracked up...and then was promptly surprised that that had not been nixed.>> I honestly think that's why I like it so much. It hasn't been tarnished by all the PC crap.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Step back for a moment and take a break. Go to an inner city and work with some real poor people then return to the parks with some new eyes. You will be glad you did. << I've been involved with inner city charitable work with the Star of Hope Mission since 1962. I can still flat out say that the experience at WDW is not as rewarding as it was 10 years ago. That's just a fact to me.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Bad show, IMHO. You should maintain the parks to the best of your ability REGARDLESS who is seeing it. << That's the antiquated thought pattern of the Disney of yesteryear. Didn't Mr Iger say we just can't let the old way of doing things hinder us from making a few extra bucks. The bold new horizon for the Mouse. DAMN THE SHOW, MAKE MO MONEY!
