Originally Posted By magnet >>>Sorry, its the same copout comment. "You don't know me." And yes, I'm obsessed with some of the silly posts by you and other Disney fans. You folks need to stop going every day or every week and maybe limit yourselves to once a month as a way to break your addiction.<<< Imagine we're driving along together and I said, "Excuse me, I think you went the wrong way at the last fork in the road, and I think you need to turn around and go back." Oddly, you respond by stomping the pedal to accelerate even faster in the wrong direction. Dill and "Boo" Radley.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >> That's funny, I thought it was because they did more soft core drugs. Who knew it was because they were more discerning and wordly? (whatever that is) << I vote for the Whakey Tobackey effect also. Nothing like listening to Jefferson Airplane or the Tiki Birds when you are stoned. the Airplane..you bet...what'ya know, I got something in common with a Texan.... ( even what's left of them is still pretty good) -
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Sounds kind of like the Rocky Horror Picture Show crowd. --------------- vbdad still enjoys attending at least one midnite showing event each year....it truly is a different experience ( I know Spirit is likely not surprised by this factoid about me)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Imagine we're driving along together and I said, "Excuse me, I think you went the wrong way at the last fork in the road, and I think you need to turn around and go back." Oddly, you respond by stomping the pedal to accelerate even faster in the wrong direction.<<< That's assuming we want to get to the same destination. I don't get this analogy.
Originally Posted By magnet >>>I don't get this analogy.<<< It's OK, I'm in mysterious oracle mode for this thread now.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Sorry, its the same copout comment. "You don't know me." And yes, I'm obsessed with some of the silly posts by you and other Disney fans. You folks need to stop going every day or every week and maybe limit yourselves to once a month as a way to break your addiction.>> I've never quite understood why anyone would post on a site about any subject (Disney here) and rip those who choose to dissect it. Obviously, people are here because they love Disney a bit more than the average Joe The Plumber. As someone who supposedly worked at WDI-FLA, you'd think you'd get that ... but than again I know how many present and former Imagineers simply can't take any criticism for their work and are quite bitter about everything relating to the company. FWIW, most of the folks participating in this thread don't go to WDW weekly or monthly.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Sounds kind of like the Rocky Horror Picture Show crowd. --------------- vbdad still enjoys attending at least one midnite showing event each year....it truly is a different experience ( I know Spirit is likely not surprised by this factoid about me)>> Do I look surprised?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>It's OK, I'm in mysterious oracle mode for this thread now.<< Or...it didn't meet sense. ;-)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 People like you and others who constantly - and I mean constantly - complain that the "quality is not what it once was" have gotten way to close to the parks. Sure, some of them need work and those complaints should be made, but they should be specific. The constant generalizations about quality not being there in a general way fall on deaf ears because it is about the money. Yes, Disney is selling an experience but believe me if that experience did not deliver there would be no money and things would change. But making general comments as many do here and on other sites that the "quality is not what it once was" is a hollow argument. Step back for a moment and take a break. Go to an inner city and work with some real poor people then return to the parks with some new eyes. You will be glad you did. ------------------- --------------------- ---- you know since you have obviosuly deemed yourself the prophet in this I am going to tell you that I believe ( and I can only speak for myself) YOU are dead wrong, if you think you can dictate what others consider quality. here's some specifics as opposed to what you believe to be hollow comments here from some people I believe to be very knowledgeable Disney folks: My family and I go to WDW once a year ( sometimes miss) and live 1200 miles away so I am not 'too close' to the parks, nor at 55 years old am I a fan boy. I am a long time stockholder, and fan...but that does not make me blind and deaf and dumb. The QUALITY of the parks means many things- 1/ value for the investment 2/ more of what one deems important - for me that is live enterainment as only Disney can do it theme park wise, unique experiences that do not include 20 inversions and 70 degree drops to make someone's excitement level raise 3/ innovative approaches to presentations,that exceed expectations and are better than any competition 4/ quality sound/lighting - and condition of all aspects of the parks 5/ unique merchandise at all price levels - high end as well as low end and a totally engulfing experience for 1st timer or many time returner. If you are going to tell me I don't know quality- or don't remember it correctly or selectively, I am not THAT old. There are always issues anywhere you run 30,000 or so people thru a day..unavoidable. However the volume of those has been rising for 5+ years.. the quantity of live entertainment- from formal shows to 'street ' entertainment drops every year from less people supplying experiences in EPCOT to the ridiculous like a recording for the Land. Rides like the Haunted Mansion were allowed to reach virtual slum status before being refurbished just a few years ago. Holiday offerings cut back each year and for 'extras' that wewre once there all the time you have to buy hard ticket event passes to get today. I don't bitch and complain about the prices because things everywhere are expensive but I demand quality in return. And spare me the seeing things thru other peoples eyes. I grew up on the south side of Chicago where today the History channel chronicles the activities of the most notorious gangs in the country...I went to a virtually armed high schooland these people were my friends and not my friends at the same time...and saying my parents were poor in an understatement, so I don't need to 'visit' to get what you are hinting at. I have also spent the last 25 years plus volunteering my time in the Chicago Public schools to give back... and yet I somehow can see the quality slippage at WDW. ( if you are saying those who live day to day survival would see the parks differently- is that really an argument for quality not slipping or a 'well no kidding' social commentary ?) Quality has had peaks and valleys imho over the few years- some better than others- the only constant is loss of 'live' interaction. I give credit where credit is due, and criticize where needs be but yes feel very confortable making the 'quality has slipped' general statement ...I enjoy my DVC purchase of 15 years ago and actually belive it is an area they have mostly lived up to the standards I expect and demand from Disney. So sorry for being harsh..but many of those who make the comments here are veterans of the parks..and even those deemed too close have a right to their opinion also, just as you do The 'hollow argument' sounds very much like senior management in denial...and yes I would know, it's where I have spent the better part of the last 20 years, although not for Disney. I have watched companies who were once industry giants virtually disappear from the landscape..drop from the DOW and take so many lives with them. It's not a future I want for the Disney company because I have an emotional investment in them..I would like my grandchildren to have the diversionary experiences from them I was privileged to have from the early days of watching MMC on a neighbors TV .. to what I enjoy today. try not to take it prsonally but I found this bold statement from you very ironic in that a statement on generality of comments was based on a stereotype ( generality) itself.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 As someone who supposedly worked at WDI-FLA, you'd think you'd get that ... but than again I know how many present and former Imagineers simply can't take any criticism for their work and are quite bitter about everything relating to the company. --------------------- great point spirit- to me sounds like classic, "I'll tell you what you should like and why to the consumer, instead of listening to what they do like" many people at Wang, Xerox, Poloroid, Pan AM , TWA and may one day include Sears, GM and others...were really good at this
Originally Posted By leobloom <<Sorry, its the same copout comment. "You don't know me." And yes, I'm obsessed with some of the silly posts by you and other Disney fans. You folks need to stop going every day or every week and maybe limit yourselves to once a month as a way to break your addiction.>> Daddy, do I need to give up my addiction to themed toilets, urinals, and tampon machines? Please write back soon, because I fear this addiction may be causing me great harm! I can't pee without thinking about Cinderella's smiling face!! Are these golden showers of magic bad for me?!?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> Daddy, do I need to give up my addiction to themed toilets, urinals, and tampon machines? Please write back soon, because I fear this addiction may be causing me great harm! I can't pee without thinking about Cinderella's smiling face!! Are these golden showers of magic bad for me?!<<< If it makes you happy (and makes the rest of us laugh and post embarrassing pictures of WDW Bathrooms for you) you should keep doing it.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> If it makes you happy (and makes the rest of us laugh and post embarrassing pictures of WDW Bathrooms for you) you should keep doing it. << No offense, EE, but I need vindication from Manfrwhatever. You're already a member of PixDustPotClub, so I know you find my addiction understandable (and I bet you even share it---just think about those quail tiles!!)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I have to admit, this trip did see me having a more thoughtful approach to how one uses and enjoys a WDW Bathroom. I still am fascinated with the pneumatic condiment bars, though.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>You folks need to stop going every day or every week and maybe limit yourselves to once a month as a way to break your addiction.<< Oh brother.
Originally Posted By Manfried and then there's the constant complainers. Businesses recognize that its a balance of listening to complaints and knowing which ones to ignore. Complain about the same generic subject too much - they ignore you.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>and then there's the constant complainers. Businesses recognize that its a balance of listening to complaints and knowing which ones to ignore. Complain about the same generic subject too much - they ignore you.<<< That's just a given. You have to be logical in your approach.
