Originally Posted By Hista98 Iago and Zazu are perfect examples of poor marketing. Honestly they add nothing to the ride, they could have used any two disney charecters and the ride would have been the exact same thing. Granted they are birds so that part makes sense but hoenstly if your going to add in new charecters have them add soemthing to the story. It's the same thing with TSMM. why the toy story charecters? why not MIMM, or FNMM
Originally Posted By leobloom >> and then there's the constant complainers. Businesses recognize that its a balance of listening to complaints and knowing which ones to ignore. Complain about the same generic subject too much - they ignore you << Manny Depressive, Did you notice those fantastic toilet shots in Toy Story 3? Woody was climbing all over a bathroom stall for Pete's sake! Why do you think those scenes were in the movie? Because of me. Bringing attention to Disney toilets since 2004.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> the Airplane..you bet...what'ya know, I got something in common with a Texan.... << Probably more than you think. Grace Slick still sounds good. I always loved the song "Today".
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I don't get this analogy. << It's a synopsis of the constant duality of man.
Originally Posted By MPierce This absolutely blew me away VBDAD! BRAVO! >>> ---- you know since you have obviosuly deemed yourself the prophet in this I am going to tell you that I believe ( and I can only speak for myself) YOU are dead wrong, if you think you can dictate what others consider quality. here's some specifics as opposed to what you believe to be hollow comments here from some people I believe to be very knowledgeable Disney folks: My family and I go to WDW once a year ( sometimes miss) and live 1200 miles away so I am not 'too close' to the parks, nor at 55 years old am I a fan boy. I am a long time stockholder, and fan...but that does not make me blind and deaf and dumb. The QUALITY of the parks means many things- 1/ value for the investment 2/ more of what one deems important - for me that is live enterainment as only Disney can do it theme park wise, unique experiences that do not include 20 inversions and 70 degree drops to make someone's excitement level raise 3/ innovative approaches to presentations,that exceed expectations and are better than any competition 4/ quality sound/lighting - and condition of all aspects of the parks 5/ unique merchandise at all price levels - high end as well as low end and a totally engulfing experience for 1st timer or many time returner. If you are going to tell me I don't know quality- or don't remember it correctly or selectively, I am not THAT old. There are always issues anywhere you run 30,000 or so people thru a day..unavoidable. However the volume of those has been rising for 5+ years.. the quantity of live entertainment- from formal shows to 'street ' entertainment drops every year from less people supplying experiences in EPCOT to the ridiculous like a recording for the Land. Rides like the Haunted Mansion were allowed to reach virtual slum status before being refurbished just a few years ago. Holiday offerings cut back each year and for 'extras' that wewre once there all the time you have to buy hard ticket event passes to get today. I don't bitch and complain about the prices because things everywhere are expensive but I demand quality in return. And spare me the seeing things thru other peoples eyes. I grew up on the south side of Chicago where today the History channel chronicles the activities of the most notorious gangs in the country...I went to a virtually armed high schooland these people were my friends and not my friends at the same time...and saying my parents were poor in an understatement, so I don't need to 'visit' to get what you are hinting at. I have also spent the last 25 years plus volunteering my time in the Chicago Public schools to give back... and yet I somehow can see the quality slippage at WDW. ( if you are saying those who live day to day survival would see the parks differently- is that really an argument for quality not slipping or a 'well no kidding' social commentary ?) Quality has had peaks and valleys imho over the few years- some better than others- the only constant is loss of 'live' interaction. I give credit where credit is due, and criticize where needs be but yes feel very confortable making the 'quality has slipped' general statement ...I enjoy my DVC purchase of 15 years ago and actually belive it is an area they have mostly lived up to the standards I expect and demand from Disney. So sorry for being harsh..but many of those who make the comments here are veterans of the parks..and even those deemed too close have a right to their opinion also, just as you do The 'hollow argument' sounds very much like senior management in denial...and yes I would know, it's where I have spent the better part of the last 20 years, although not for Disney. I have watched companies who were once industry giants virtually disappear from the landscape..drop from the DOW and take so many lives with them. It's not a future I want for the Disney company because I have an emotional investment in them..I would like my grandchildren to have the diversionary experiences from them I was privileged to have from the early days of watching MMC on a neighbors TV .. to what I enjoy today. try not to take it prsonally but I found this bold statement from you very ironic in that a statement on generality of comments was based on a stereotype ( generality) itself <<<
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Please write back soon, because I fear this addiction may be causing me great harm! I can't pee without thinking about Cinderella's smiling face!! Are these golden showers of magic bad for me?!? << Only if you walk around the Parks with a yellow bandana in your right rear pocket.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> and then there's the constant complainers. Businesses recognize that its a balance of listening to complaints and knowing which ones to ignore. Complain about the same generic subject too much - they ignore you. << I'm use to it. My wife ignores me all the time.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> That's just a given. You have to be logical in your approach << Let's try to keep logic out of our discussions here on LP EE.
Originally Posted By Manfried MPierce: Good write up and it dealt with more explicit things than many others do. Specifically the ones dealing with the Vacation Club, a big success. And yes, things like the Haunted Mansion deserved harsh comments. But those were specific comments that dealt with an issue. Unfortunately management is too close, just like some of the complainers. And specific complaints really do sink home. I applaud the continued discussion as long as it does not have they're not the generalized "Disney parks aren't just as good a quality as they used to be." Gee, I remember the nineties and Disneyland had a lot of negatives and deserved some comments. But that park seems to look real good now. Yes, I think some of the WDW parks have lost their way. I mainly think its because its too big and should have one WDI person down here for each park. That is not what they have.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >Iago and Zazu are perfect examples of poor marketing< No, that's called bad SYNERGY. ;-)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>Let's try to keep logic out of our discussions here on LP EE.<< Yes, sir, sorry, sir!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Iago and Zazu are perfect examples of poor marketing. Honestly they add nothing to the ride>> IT'S NOT A RIDE!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> MPierce: Good write up and it dealt with more explicit things than many others do. Specifically the ones dealing with the Vacation Club, a big success. >> I wish I had wrote that, but that was VBDAD 55.
Originally Posted By MPierce Yes Manfried, I can see how both WDI or fans can become to close to the product to be objective or view the Parks or an attraction anywhere close to the same way. That's understandable. I would sure hate to have my work refered to as stale in a public forum. Perhaps it's a good thing my wife doesn't post here at LP.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>I like a respectful young man. << I enjoy mutual respect, on that note. >>BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER!<< THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE!!!!!!
