Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "I don't think I would ever compare CoP to iasw. iasw is considerably more popular. CoP is a good guest-gobbler during the holidays but regular guests aren't attracted to it. As it isn't located in an area with space pressures I'm sure it will stay for now but that doesn't mean WDW won't carve it out given half the chance." No, especially since they don't want to maintain those expensive AAs. ... And they have been trying to close the attraction actively since around 2000-01.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "Let's go back a bit earlier to the late 80's.... Whatever happened to that "Plectu's Intergalatic Musical Revue" show that was to replace COP when Eisner unveiled the Disney Decade with much fanfare?? " I thought Plectu's was never intended for the MK. It was supposed to go in DL's Carousel building, but Eisner liked Barry Braverman's Best Buy/Circuit City/CompUSA/Innoventions much more.
Originally Posted By danyoung >You gotta remember as for comparing it to Small World, they were both developed by Walt for a worlds fair. They are neither one going anywhere.< Well, Lincoln was one of those attractions, and where is he now? I don't think there's any guarantee that CofP will be with us forever. I love the show, but would like to see it updated once again.
Originally Posted By Labuda DVC Dad - heres your proof it happened: <a href="http://www.snopes.com/disney/parks/amersing.htm" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/disney/p arks/amersing.htm</a>
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <The problem with the Carousel, is that it dates itself. You've got to keep the last act current, or else it seems off. Now, you've got a HUGE jump from the 40's to present day, which is just too much of a gap. I love CoP, but I don't think it's immune to the chopping block.< true -- solution - build a second CoP in all the open space in TL - and add a 60's 80's 00's etc -- -- link the attractions and really go thru time... as you can tell I really like CoP
Originally Posted By jmuboy This closure and new attraction speculation doesn't really excite me. I don't trust WDW mgmt to really deliver anything above "mediocre" level at the MK anymore.
Originally Posted By Dis-Philip <<Well, Lincoln was one of those attractions, and where is he now? I don't think there's any guarantee that CofP will be with us forever.>> Well, Lincoln will return to DL after that park's 50th anniversary celebration ends. As for CoP, I refuse to let myself get stampeded by such heresay. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Well, Lincoln will return to DL after that park's 50th anniversary celebration ends.< Yeah, and right after Walt's birthday celebration DL is gonna get Walt's office back. See how well it's turning out? I hope Lincoln returns, although I'm less than impressed by the latest incarnation with the silly headphones.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 And even if Lincoln comes back, it's not anything like it's "World's Fair" form. Basically it's a completely different animal, other than the Lincoln AA. As for CoP, you guys might not want to see it go, and are stating as fact that it won't go anywhere, because of it's "Walt" connections, but I don't have as much faith as you guys, I guess. I don't think ANY attraction is immune...just look at the upcoming Pirates update.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Basically it's a completely different animal, other than the Lincoln AA.< Actually everything about the AA was changed when, back in '84? When they introduced the compliance system for more realistic movements. So I don't think there's any shred of the '64 Lincoln in the current one.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Sounds Incredibles.>> No comment. It is one of 4 ideas for the MK that John Georges' group is currently working on.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I hope Lincoln returns, although I'm less than impressed by the latest incarnation with the silly headphones.>> WDI have been tinkering with some ideas for Lincoln when it returns. I'm still for it returning to its original presentation and moving it to a much smaller facility. That theater really should be used for something else. Something that really is the right way for guests to begin their Disneyland day.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Well, Lincoln was one of those attractions, and where is he now?<< Last time I (and Inspector57) saw Lincoln was atthe Ford Museum in Detroit, being exhibited in that traveling DL show for the 50th. That was in Nov... not sure if the exhibit is still playing at Ford's.
Originally Posted By leemac TPP were very keen to move it ages ago but were worried about the backlash. My personal view is don't keep it for the sake of it and because it was "touched by Walt". Space is valuable at DLR and it should be treated as such. Dan, has it ever happened before?
Originally Posted By leemac <<Last time I (and Inspector57) saw Lincoln was atthe Ford Museum in Detroit, being exhibited in that traveling DL show for the 50th. That was in Nov... not sure if the exhibit is still playing at Ford's.>> Nope and Lincoln isn't part of the touring show. He is firmly back in WDI's storage facility.
Originally Posted By leemac Nope it was the original Lincoln and the shipping crate lid that accompanied him from coast-to-coast (and back again) for the World's Fair.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN That's what I thought, thanks. You know...at my age, you never remember things as well.
