Originally Posted By jonvn Not right at this moment. Your points are being overrun by your behavior and it makes me reticent in trying to continue discussing it with you right at this second. The problem is that it is very difficult to try and discuss something with you when every time it happens you go off the deep end because I don't go along with whatever it is you happen to be saying, and I say it in a clear and strong manner. Then you flip out, start in with the name calling and so on. Then your buddy Bob chimes in, almost on cue, to add his one or two lines about how awful a person I am. Well, the fact is I'm not an awful person, I like this stuff, and I want to discuss it. There are many people here I actually can discuss this stuff with who don't manage to fall to pieces because I didn't say the exact right words to them. I don't mean to brag, but I think I have a lot to offer in a discussion on these things. I have read a lot about it, and have followed it for years. I've friends who have worked at the corporation and people I have worked with work there now in the animation area, although really I don't keep in touch at all with them. You need to drop the animosity. If you can do that, I'll respond and we can have a discussion. If we do have a discussion, you will need to understand that I may say things that you won't like, or that I express myself in a blunt manner at times. Now if you can deal with that, I will try to respond to your comments, but if not, then you need to simply avoid talking to me if you can't deal with my personality. I don't want to get you or anyone else angry, but you have to have some ownership of that yourself. I know I sometimes appear less than polite. This comes out of frustation and a lack of patience, and it is an issue I have to deal with. It does not help when you make things even more antagonistic. I am not here to cause you grief. I have no reason to. If you would simply behave in a polite manner, I will try to as well. It shouldn't be hard.
Originally Posted By danyoung jon, if you ever want to see in a single post why you and I go head to head, go back and read post 247 on this thread. We were fine up until you started associating me with trailer trash and cheap pins and the like. That's what gets to me, and that's what I will respond to. I ONLY get mean when provoked, and you are very provoking. So I would say back to you a few things that you just said to me, and maybe we'll make some inroads into getting along like the adults we both are - >You need to drop the animosity.< >I don't want to get you or anyone else angry, but you have to have some ownership of that yourself.< >I am not here to cause you grief. I have no reason to. If you would simply behave in a polite manner, I will try to as well.< If we can both agree to the above 3 points, maybe we have a chance.
Originally Posted By bean "Hans Reinhardt Fri 1/25/2008 5:52p ^^Any idea on what might replace it?" "Sorry, my post was in response to bean's post #250." There are some plans for the future to add a large attraction that would use up the South/western corner of the pier
Originally Posted By jonvn " if you ever want to see in a single post why you and " I couldn't care less. Grow up.
Originally Posted By jonvn Honestly, I don't. If you get provoked so easily that you fly into a rage, then you need to stop and think about your inability to control your emotions. This is not my problem, it is yours. You need to take ownership of this issue and deal with it internally. It's not up to me. I am not in a position to take care of every individual's neurotic problems.
Originally Posted By heycamster66 January 26, 2008 And I have read through the threads and statements off topic. I tuned into this discussion to find out about the CAD updates. Golden Dreams is still there (is it leaving?) Maliboomer is still there (and is it going?) Monsters will reopen in February (I was told) Snow White 70th tribute will be up until April Toy Story opens when? What other concrete plans am I missing?
Originally Posted By BigJim89 ^ To answer your questions heycamster66 (and get back on topic): Golden dreams and Maliboomer leave in '09, Monsters Inc. reopens in Feb (the 15th I believe), don't know about Snow White, Toy Story early June w/ soft openings maybe in April/May. As far as other concrete plans go construction time tables keep getting pushed back and no one seems to know - still hoping for WOC premiere in 09. Bean can feel free to correct/expand on my comments.
Originally Posted By danyoung Wow - and I actually thought we were getting somewhere, jon. I'll just say this and be done. I haven't flown into a rage, nor am I neurotic in any way. I will continue to challenge you when you act like a jerk, as you're doing here. Anytime you want to discuss Disney without the histrionics, I'll be right here. And to anyone else on this thread, really, this is the last time, I promise. If there was a private message function, I'd make use of it. Since there isn't, this is the only way I can respond to jon's silliness. I apologize for the repeated thread drift - it won't happen again, at least on this thread.
Originally Posted By bartholomewneff heycamster66 said: "Golden Dreams is still there (is it leaving?)" Yes, The Little Mermaid is going there. It will be the new ride that opens during the tenth aniversary celebration. heycamster66 said: "Maliboomer is still there (and is it going?)" Yes. Nothing at this time is taking its place. Expect landscaping areas until more is budgeted for an E ticket later in the next decade for that and the other helix.
Originally Posted By Nobody From Post 290: "Yes. Nothing at this time is taking its place. Expect landscaping areas until more is budgeted for an E ticket later in the next decade for that and the other helix." Those seem like pretty small areas for "E-Tickets", but I would love to be proven wrong by a couple of innovative and unexpected attractions.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros If they really wanted to put something in there (and I sure hope they do), it would be pretty easy to do it the same way as TSM and have the entrance be there, with a show building behind the coaster. What ever they put inside the helix will have to look decent from all angles, just because of how the area is seen from the ride, but if they build on the other side, it would be easy enough to have a very lightly themed building and call it a day (like the generic curves to the roofline of TSM).
Originally Posted By Nobody Yeah, I was thinking about using those areas as entrance-type sections. I suppose if they get to re-claim that access road they might be able to find some room around the west helix for something.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>>Golden dreams and Maliboomer leave in '09... As far as other concrete plans go construction time tables keep getting pushed back and no one seems to know<<< I'm starting to get a suspicious feeling that nothing is going to happen, or at best, it all will be much less than what was previewed last year. I guess I'll believe it all when I see them move in a big crane and begin dismantling the Maliboomer. But where are the walls? Is Toy Story Mania, which was already in the works and isn't part of what was announced for the future, the only progress we are going to see in all of 2008??
Originally Posted By bean "Those seem like pretty small areas for "E-Tickets", but I would love to be proven wrong by a couple of innovative and unexpected attractions." the west helix (where maliboomer is) could easily have a show building behind the coaster connected to whatever is built within the helix. Its just a matter of removing some of the coasters lattice work added for theming. The east helix is a bit diferent since the last portion of the screamin trackis quite low and blocks access to the backstage area.
Originally Posted By bartholomewneff This is a four to five year plan ArchMig, not all of it is going to happen this year. After the summer more of it is supposed to start in the pier area, but the majority will start in early 09. It's going to take close to a year and a half to get the pier done. Don't expect to walk down a totally redone Paradise Pier till spring 2010. That'll be about two years from now. And even then, all of it won't be done. Everything should be done in the pier by then except for The Little Mermaid ride which should be deep in construction for an early 11 premiere. Just think of the park as wall-land for the next four years, cause that's what it will be.
Originally Posted By bean "Nobody Sun 1/27/2008 5:20p Yeah, I was thinking about using those areas as entrance-type sections. I suppose if they get to re-claim that access road they might be able to find some room around the west helix for something. " your right about this. eventually when the rest of timon is closed there would be no need for the four lane exit in that corner of the property. If the old entrance and tollbooths are kept then only one or two lanes would be used to guide cars along the southside of the property and then out to Disneyland drive and north to the parking structure. The most logical thing would be to eventually eliminate the entrance from harbor and have people go around the property to the parking structure. It would basically be for peole that exit off the harbor ramp that missed the Disneyland drive ramp that leads directly to the structure. people coming north on the 5fwy should exit directly into disney way which would then give them the option to turn right on menchester and to ball or go into the proposed parking structure in the corner of clementine and Disney way. There is plenty of signs everywhere along these exits that right now lead people to the main parking places. Its just a matter of getting people in the habit to forget about the old entrance and the only way for that to happen is to eliminate it. Once that is done the expansion area for DCA would grow evenmore including the area behind the west helix.
Originally Posted By bartholomewneff Hopefully they can expand the Hollywood Backlot area and creat a much nicer area than just the one street. How about if they built fake hills behind the area where the TOT is and had a hollywood sign there? They could add more old 30's looking building back around there and maybe have some of the elements proposed for the "Disney Decade" that were to go into HollywoodLand. Now there's an idea. Change the name of the Hollywood Backlot area to Hollywoodland. bean?
Originally Posted By lesmisfan Hey bean, i know this is the wrong thread for this but couldn't find another appropriate one. Now we all know that the Disneyland Hotel towers are getting a makeover someday. And we know from imagineers that it is going to be fantasy based but they won't tell us more than that. I was looking at the new hotel for the tokyo resort <a href="http://www.disneyhotels.jp/tdh/index_e.html" target="_blank">http://www.disneyhotels.jp/tdh /index_e.html</a> And think that this could work, but kind of more like terrets towards the top instead of a victorian look. Could you say if i am kinda getting warmer for the disneyland hotel?
