Originally Posted By FerretAfros Dalmatians!!! "The east helix is a bit diferent since the last portion of the screamin trackis quite low and blocks access to the backstage area." I'm not sure exactly how low the tracks are right there, but couldn't they do a bridge over the lower part, while still fitting under the upper part. This would add in an interesting "head chopper" to the coaster, while allowing the new ride through. Sure, it's not the easiest or most ideal solution, but it would work. Doesn't the track raise up fairly high near the north end of the helix? If so, they could just do a dol leg around the lower part to get backstage. While it may not be easy, it can be done. Looking between the Haunted Mansion and Bear Country, I would have said they couldn't build anything because of the small space, the mound of dirt, and the train tracks, but they managed to make Splash fit in there.
Originally Posted By gadzuux It would probably be easier to just tunnel under. It wouldn't have to be all that big - about as wide as the exit walkway on indy. And it wouldn't have to be very long - just enough to access a show building directly behind the coaster - maybe thirty feet total. From what I can see from DBs pics of the TSM showbuilding, it appears that the load/unload and queue are on the pier side of the coaster, with the showbuilding itself located behind the tracks. Same idea, only on ground level. It would be easy enough to just sink the passageways for the vehicles to pass under the coaster and out to whatever showbuilding the new attraction is housed in.
Originally Posted By bean "300 NEW! lesmisfan Sun 1/27/2008 9:46p Hey bean, i know this is the wrong thread for this but couldn't find another appropriate one. Now we all know that the Disneyland Hotel towers are getting a makeover someday. And we know from imagineers that it is going to be fantasy based but they won't tell us more than that. I was looking at the new hotel for the tokyo resort <a href="http://www.disneyhotels.jp/tdh" target="_blank">http://www.disneyhotels.jp/tdh</a> /index_e.html And think that this could work, but kind of more like terrets towards the top instead of a victorian look. Could you say if i am kinda getting warmer for the disneyland hotel? " I agree that this look would look great for the Disneyland hotel. I have not seen the final plans but when it was described to me it was suppose to be a bit more whimsical. I have a feeling that the hotel planned for the eastern prominade will have a more similiar look to the one in Tokyo.
Originally Posted By bean I should have said proposed instead of planned since that hotel is still not final and just an idea for that area.
Originally Posted By bean "301 NEW! FerretAfros Sun 1/27/2008 10:48p Dalmatians!!! "The east helix is a bit diferent since the last portion of the screamin trackis quite low and blocks access to the backstage area." I'm not sure exactly how low the tracks are right there, but couldn't they do a bridge over the lower part, while still fitting under the upper part. This would add in an interesting "head chopper" to the coaster, while allowing the new ride through. Sure, it's not the easiest or most ideal solution, but it would work. Doesn't the track raise up fairly high near the north end of the helix? If so, they could just do a dol leg around the lower part to get backstage. While it may not be easy, it can be done. Looking between the Haunted Mansion and Bear Country, I would have said they couldn't build anything because of the small space, the mound of dirt, and the train tracks, but they managed to make Splash fit in there. " Actually it quite low, not only that but butif i remember correctly the southern side of the helix has three tracks. The aproach to the loop The end of the buny hops and the dip down to the final aproach. The west helix has two tracks portions on the southern side of the area The turn after the launch and the drop and rise after the loop. There is plenty of room under that track portion. now there is also the possibility of an attraction entrance where the remaining midway games and tattoo shops are. They could lead to a large show room to the backstage area is where the original parade building is. That parade building could always be re-located or retroffited and a new one built if needed. There is also room between the western helix and pizza oom mow mow. The area could be reconfigured and the parade gates relocated.
Originally Posted By bean "302 gadzuux Mon 1/28/2008 12:45a It would probably be easier to just tunnel under. It wouldn't have to be all that big - about as wide as the exit walkway on indy. And it wouldn't have to be very long - just enough to access a show building directly behind the coaster - maybe thirty feet total. From what I can see from DBs pics of the TSM showbuilding, it appears that the load/unload and queue are on the pier side of the coaster, with the showbuilding itself located behind the tracks. Same idea, only on ground level. It would be easy enough to just sink the passageways for the vehicles to pass under the coaster and out to whatever showbuilding the new attraction is housed in. " Yes this could be a possibility but very costly another problem is room. The midway Mania showroom took over an area that was mostly parking spaces and a large sand area with trees. The fencing was pushed back and because of the positioning of the coaster it allowed for some backstage reconfiguration. The area behind the eastern helix and the power lines along katella is much narrower. Even after removing the access roads for timon lot you would need to leave backstage roads to allow trucks and parade floats to go thru here let me see if this works. <a href="http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=33.804172~-117.920743&style=a&lvl=19&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1140248&sp=Polygon.pn0nvb555vbp_pn0mnv555v0j_pn0kjm555whf_pn0mpc555wtg_pn0nwj555vbw_pn0nvb555vbp_midway_approximate" target="_blank">http://maps.live.com/default.a spx?v=2&cp=33.804172~-117.920743&style=a&lvl=19&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1140248&sp=Polygon.pn0nvb555vbp_pn0mnv555v0j_pn0kjm555whf_pn0mpc555wtg_pn0nwj555vbw_pn0nvb555vbp_midway_approximate</a>%20midway%20buildig%20size___%230000FF_%23008000_2pt_Single_Solid_pn0mzp555vsq&encType=1
Originally Posted By bean i tried the above link. just click on it for an aerial view of the area. don't worry about the link portion in black. i sort of marked the approximate area of Midway Mania. Its just an approximate size. Notice the tracks for screamin against the parks wall and the amount of space behind the wall.
Originally Posted By bean just to get an idea drag the picture so that you are able to see the western helix. notice the room avaialble for a showroom and expansion in that area. The walls can be pushed back quite a bit and at certain point there will not be a need for all four lanes exiting Timon. there is also no need for the entrance lanes from that side. Those lanes were there for use of the tram when it used to cross to the parking lot across the street. the parade gate could be moved south and the parade route extended by a few yards or just moved west closer to the Pizza oom mow mow building (soon to be part of the beer garden) and the parade route re-adjusted just for fun i went ahead and added a red line showing the possible way the walls can be pushed back and still leave the exit road for what would be left of timon lot. I went ahead and placed the line in the approximate area of CarsLand's border <a href="http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=33.805098~-117.917241&style=a&lvl=17&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=6773201&sp=Polygon.pn0nvb555vbp_pn0mnv555v0j_pn0kjm555whf_pn0mpc555wtg_pn0nwj555vbw_pn0nvb555vbp_midway_approximate__" target="_blank">http://maps.live.com/default.a spx?v=2&cp=33.805098~-117.917241&style=a&lvl=17&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=6773201&sp=Polygon.pn0nvb555vbp_pn0mnv555v0j_pn0kjm555whf_pn0mpc555wtg_pn0nwj555vbw_pn0nvb555vbp_midway_approximate__</a>_%230000FF_%23008000_2pt_Single_Solid_pn0mxt555vtc~Polyline.pn0tnn555qhr_pn0tgh555qt7_pn0t64555qyj_pn0skh555r44_pn0s40555r6y_pn0rfh555r5f_pn0qgb555r26_pn0pf8555qyz_pn0nnt555qw1_pn0n77555qtz_pn0mwq555qtk_pn0mfg555qvh_pn0m1g555qxp_pn0knr555r17_pn0k6s555r7t_pn0jw7555rh1_pn0jpk555rrz_pn0jhz555s1c_pn0jgs555syh_pn0jnw55634k_pn0kdq5563dj_pn0nqd5563gs_pn0qbq55648n_pn0rd0556512_pn0wk5556537_pn0wmc5565r2_pn0xfm55660s_possible%20repositioning%20of%20wall____%23800000_%23800000_2pt_Single_Solid_pn0jm8555rx5&encType=1
Originally Posted By bean sorry not sure what happened to the last link. it does not work and it made the thread extremely wide. Which i could edit it. Maybe a moderator could delete it or edit it for me.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Here's a link that should work for that page: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2lbzq5" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2lbzq5</a>
Originally Posted By bean thanks, i should have thought about that. My first thought was for someone to edit the orinal post. Thanks again
Originally Posted By Nobody From post 305: "now there is also the possibility of an attraction entrance where the remaining midway games and tattoo shops are. They could lead to a large show room to the backstage area is where the original parade building is. Bean, Is the "original parade building" the large structure directly behind Screamin' (next to the new Toy Story show building)? If so, what's it used for now? (And also if so, I agree that something large could be put there, even with a queue coming from the west helix area.)
Originally Posted By FerretAfros One of the parade buildings is used for Disney's Electrical Parade and the other will be used for the Pixar Pals parade. So, both are used, but for different purposes. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they could combine the two into the same building, so they could probably tear down the one behind Screamin' or just repurpose it.
Originally Posted By bean Ferret is right both buildings are being used one for each parade. The one next to Midway is also basically used for storage. The original plans were to eventually remove it or use it for expansion. The other building should be capable of holding both parades perfectly fine. Especially since the parades have gotten smaller and smaller due to their show stop "modes" with fewer floats. Its not like the parades in Tokyo which have up to 27 floats in their light parade
Originally Posted By ieguy Bean, has anything else been discussed for the area south of TOT and East of Carsland? I know at one point you mentioned the slight chance of a hotel there, but with the chatter of a hotel being proposed just north of the Hollywood area, this seems like it could be an overkill maybe? I know that a walkway will go from TOT to Carsland, but is there anything planned to spruce up that area so it doesnt feel that we are walking down a hallway? It seems that the area directly south of TOT could be used to house a restaurant, bathrooms and maybe a shop or two as a nice bridge to carland. An E ticket could be placed in the very corner taking up those 4 lanes. Perhaps keeping in the same theme as the TOT, art deco Hollywood. This could really tie in greatly to Carsland if done right. Any news Bean?
Originally Posted By bean hi ieguy, i went ahead and answered your question in the other thread with similiar question
Originally Posted By tcsnwhite "Especially since the parades have gotten smaller and smaller due to their show stop "modes" with fewer floats." Pixar Play looks to be pretty big. A unit for each major Pixar film - that looks to be something the size of POD. Not Tokyo length of course, but still pretty solid, considering how massive and large the floats are (backstage pics showed them working on the Ratatouille unit...it's huge). Other than that, couldn't they just rebuild another parade barn if need be somewhere else? I noticed the BPB/PPP one is also kind of in an odd position if they expand out into the Timon lot. Plus, the night parades usually don't have show stops and are pretty decent in length.
Originally Posted By Nemo88 POD is a terrible parade,hopefully Pixar Play Parade will be alot better.
