Originally Posted By tcsnwhite Well, I happen to love POD...that's why the scale and design on PPP looks kind of similar...and gives a good feeling that we're in for something of that grandeur.
Originally Posted By bean "319 NEW! tcsnwhite Mon 2/4/2008 12:22a "Especially since the parades have gotten smaller and smaller due to their show stop "modes" with fewer floats." Pixar Play looks to be pretty big. A unit for each major Pixar film - that looks to be something the size of POD. Not Tokyo length of course, but still pretty solid, considering how massive and large the floats are (backstage pics showed them working on the Ratatouille unit...it's huge). Other than that, couldn't they just rebuild another parade barn if need be somewhere else? I noticed the BPB/PPP one is also kind of in an odd position if they expand out into the Timon lot. Plus, the night parades usually don't have show stops and are pretty decent in length." i have not seen much about the new parade but i do hear that it will be fun. I never cared for the location of the new parade building. some felt it was the best location because that corner really had no way of expanding out from Paradise pier. Screamin's load and service shack is in that corner. I just felt that it was to close to the paradise pier bridge. I always felt that bridge could be retroffited so that it also had an entrance into any new addition into timon. The parade building will not be visible from Cars Land though since the mountain range will block its view.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I thought they were going to connect Carsland near the bridge. Maybe I'm getting confused with somewhere else, but won't there be access to Carsland through HPB (past TOT) and either through the wharf or PP areas? With either the wharf or PP, that path would block the access for parade floats. Of course, they could easily set it up like the gates along the Big Thunder Trail near the Village Haus, where they are open to allow pedestiran access, and then they can change it, so they are closed to pedestrian access, and allow parade access backstage. This would only limit the traffic flow during parades (and shortly before or after depending on the direction), and still allow for normal traffic the rest of the time. If they wanted to get really fancy with it, they could even theme them to look like rocks or something other than just gates (it would be pretty easy to put some plants on them, which would hide everything pretty well, just put a planter at the base of them). I feel like no matter what they do, there will need to be a crossover point where they can have it be onstage or backstage, depending on what's needed at the moment. Carsland will be too mig of an addition to only allow for access through HPB. The park's layout as it is really needs a connection between the TOT area and the wharf or Screamin. The addition of more stuff back there will only make it worse. Unless they leave enough space to the northwest of Carsland when they build it for parade holding and turn arounds, they will also need a way for the parade to pass by the entrance. I'm not sure what they will do, but I doubt they will just ignore it.
Originally Posted By bean yes there is suppose to be acces into CarsLand from the warf but not from Paradise pier. last time i checked the parade would exit the building and then go onstage via gates into the northern area of carsland then up the walkway and connect to the existing parade route near the pt flea then go west to paradise pier.
Originally Posted By bean Carsland as it is right now should have three access point from the existing park Warf, Farm and HPB
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Oh, that's different. It never even crossed my mind that the parade might go through Carsland. That's probably a good thing, because with the shortened parade route without Carsland, the route in DL is almost twice as long. I'm glad to hear that there will still be room for big parades in DCA.
Originally Posted By ieguy Thanks for the info, Bean! Can't wait to see the finished product. After they first announced the latest expansion, I made a little map of the area around TOT and the future expansion areas. <a href="http://i29.tinypic.com/2m60njp.jpg" target="_blank">http://i29.tinypic.com/2m60njp .jpg</a> As you can see, I've moved FFF south of TOT so the area south of Animation is freed up expansion in front of TOT. I've taken an image of the central part of NOS and altered it to fit the area west of TOT. I imagine this to be like the Hollywood hills area, with architecture of the buildings being in numerous styles, but with the small intimate streets you find in new Orleans square. There would be room for a small D or E ticket, as well as more restaurants and shops. East of TOT, I have added a berm that would have the Hollywoodland sign on it. The berm could be built atop of a warehouse that could house all the relocated electrical services for the backstage area. Moving FFF would also enable them to add a new darkride there. What does everyone think?
Originally Posted By ni_teach An interesting idea ieguy. However, I just can't see them spending all the money needed to move FFF.
Originally Posted By jonvn With all the new stuff they are adding, I don't see them really needing FFF so much anymore, it could be ripe for removal.
Originally Posted By ieguy I agree with you, Jon. I think FFF is a likely canadate to be removed once (and if) the future phases of park development are implemented. I do think removing FFF from west of TOT would create a nice area in front of the tower not unlike the vast area around Haunted mansion. I have always pictured TOT being DCA's version of HM, but the area as is now is quite lacking in many ways. Then they would still have that area south of TOT for future development. Perhaps if a hit, Carland can take some of that over... but I am already feeling weary of the size of this new land as it is.
Originally Posted By bartholomewneff Nice try, jonvn.. It ain't going nowhere. Not anytime in the first phase at least.
Originally Posted By bean ieguy, interesting idea. reminds of one i saw in another board. One of the posters actually got all of New Orleans square and fit it in the north west corner of the pier without altering it and on the same scale. That same person also posted another idea he had that would had basically torned out the north east corner of the animation building. and then had it rebuilt over the road leading to TOT. If i remember correctly his idea was to forcully make everyone enter the Hyperion thru its main entrance at the end of the main road. The xit would had been split with exits into tower courtyard and existing facade for Hyperion. He then created a diagonal street that would end directly in front of the Tower facade. The remaining animation building would still have part of its lobby, turtle talk and sorcerors workshop. Animation academy eliminated. I remember saving a link because I thought it was quite creative. let me see if I still have it.
Originally Posted By bean here i found the link. this person used to post in one of the other sites and I found this idea interesting <a href="http://thumb5.webshots.net/t/64/564/2/0/67/2301200670078014705rJqRNb_th.jpg" target="_blank">http://thumb5.webshots.net/t/6 4/564/2/0/67/2301200670078014705rJqRNb_th.jpg</a> looks like he split the animation building and basically moved it east over part of the road leading to TOT. This allowed him to build a road down the area to TOT and a smaller road into FFF. Not sure if i would agree with him on the road to FFF unless the area is highly landscape to allow for a proper transition from the other facades. I do like the visibillity that the tower would get once people reached the crossroad in HPB main street. The building area pushed over by the Hyperion would also allow for either a small eatery and a restroom facility that could have access on the Hyperion courtyard area.
Originally Posted By bean <a href="http://thumb5.webshots.net/t/64/564/2/0/67/2301200670078014705rJqRNb_th.jpg" target="_blank">http://thumb5.webshots.net/t/6 4/564/2/0/67/2301200670078014705rJqRNb_th.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By bean here is a bigger version <a href="http://family.webshots.com/photo/2301200670078014705rJqRNb" target="_blank">http://family.webshots.com/pho to/2301200670078014705rJqRNb</a>
Originally Posted By jonvn "Nice try, jonvn." So is it a requirement now that all Disney employees act like jerks? Just wondering. It seems to be quite the thing for you folks. I wasn't trying anything. Just posting an idea. It has nothing to do with first phase or otherwise. God, what a bunch of dolts... Here's another idea for you: more confeetti! Can't have too much of that, you know.
Originally Posted By jonvn Yeah. I don't see it having much in it that is all that great or worth saving. It's very nicely decorated. That is its best attribute. But it was plainly thrown in there as a result of surveys saying "not enough for little kids." Which was true. The park really did not have anything for the age set that FFF caters to. But now, it seems, they are adding that, or at least more family types of stuff that was not really there before so this area kind of isn't all that important. If there was something there that was really great...but, it's not. Just a nicely decorated kiddie area. So I would think that they could get rid of this area, or modify it in some way. Why not? The place isn't a museum.
Originally Posted By jonvn Um, sorry about the jerk and dolt comment. That wasn't nice of me. I'm a little peeved about this stuff. I just want it to be successful, and the fact that you guys are being utterly dismissive regarding the very sincere concerns we have is very frustrating.
