Originally Posted By Pinocchio85 They should move Golden Dreams to the empty San Fran buildings. The Preview Center won't last long and the size of those buildings seems more appropriate. Unfortunately some cartoon thing will probably be there after the Preview Center.
Originally Posted By Pinocchio85 "This whole Victorian theme for PP seems kind of over done and restrictive. I hope that there is some kind of nod to California beach culture in there somewhere. Again, California pleasure piers were not strictly Victorian is style." I agree. I had hoped they would expand the beach theme of Pizza Omm Mow Mow into the surrounding area and get rid of the Route 66 theme. The Jumpin' Jellyfish area has some nice beach elements that could be expanded. The beach culture of the 60's with the Beach Boys and Frankie and Annette seemed like a great time. The Victorian theme is very nice, but it seems overkill for the entire pier. It's a limited view of what California's beaches have to offer.
Originally Posted By mstaft Golden Dreams IS sappy and heavy handed. The best and most accurate description I have heard yet!
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "The Victorian theme is very nice, but it seems overkill for the entire pier. It's a limited view of what California's beaches have to offer." Especially since the piers weren't necessarily Victorian. Oh well.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig But Victorian is a style that comes from an era when the piers were in their heyday, regardless of whether they were all Victorian or not? I don't know. I don't care. PP will be a thousand times better than it is right now, and I'm happy for that. I don't want to see beach culture. I don't want to see anything contemporary, or too near historical. That's why I hated all the '60s songs versions being played in Paradise Pier. Disney is best when they bring us environments based on the distant past, or based on exotic locales, or based on nothing that can be experienced anywhere else outside of a Disney park. Disney is not nearly as good when they do lands that are a celebration of the here and now, or of the recent past. That's one reason why DCA was such a let down, because most of it celebrated the same things you can find outside its gates. I grew up in the '60s. I don't want to walk through Disney park environments that remind me of my own memories. Enough of the sand culture. No more beach Santas and reindeers in lifeguard towers. Save the beach culture stuff for Downtown Disney.
Originally Posted By jonvn Oh I like the 60s beach culture thing. It pretty much IS the distant past at this point. 40 years ago or more. Compare that to the relative time of Main Street in 1955. About the same time span.
Originally Posted By Nemo88 "No more beach Santas and reindeers in lifeguard towers" From your lips to Gods ears.
Originally Posted By dshyates I know Victorian, but what do the architectural styling of beach culture look like?
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "It pretty much IS the distant past at this point. 40 years ago or more. Compare that to the relative time of Main Street in 1955. About the same time span." That's something I thought about a while ago. I suddenly realized one day as I was looking at old photos online of grandmas and granddads entering DL in the fifties(and the women all wore those exact same pinched-ended glasses! LOL), that there would be some among them for whom Main Street was somewhere they knew intimately. It struck me then exactly how much further along in time we had come. For some reason it made me nostalgic for a time and place I had never known.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I've thought about that as well. Main Street in DL, along with Hollywood Blvd in MGM (now DHS) were both designed to be about 50 years before the park opened. I hope eventually there is some fun, over the top look at the 50's/60's done eventually (Tomorrowland anyone?), but right now it just seems too soon. There's something about the gap leading up to the baby boom that just makes all that stuff seem a lot longer ago. With modern medicine and lifestyles, people are living longer, giving more time before something seems all nostalgic. A lot of those grandparents we see in the early pictures with their 6 year old grandchildren are probably about the same age as modern parents with high schoolers. It is taking more time for people get old enough that it seems like some fun far off place. Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is the controversy that those times may represent. While doing Main Street, there isn't too much to consider. Hollywood Blvd is set to the same time as the Great Depression, but manages to avoid the issues that might be associated. These problems seem to have been growing as time has gone on. While the 50's were relatively innocent times without many problems associated with them (except the Korean War and maybe a few other things), doing something based on the 60's would surely bring controversial things to mind (Vietnam, countercultures, racial tensions). Disney parks should be fun, but a lot of things that they might build with more recent times could definately bring to mind stuff that people don't really want to associate with Disney.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Oh I like the 60s beach culture thing. It pretty much IS the distant past at this point. 40 years ago or more. Compare that to the relative time of Main Street in 1955. About the same time span." Thank you Jon. There's nothing wrong with Victorian... it's just that it seems that most of the pier will be dressed up this way and that seems like overkill to me. It certainly isn't evocative of what California seaside piers were. While it's all very pretty, and a vast improvement over what is there now, it just doesn't give me the impression of being transported to the heyday of California pleasure piers.
Originally Posted By jonvn I think it's overkill, too. You know, there are other architectural styles than victorian. The designers are just kind of in a rut. Really, they should have done art deco (said by me before). But it is what it is.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris This whole thing has made me think of exactly what we have been epxecting from a park called "Disney's California Adventure" for a while now. Seems to me(and, I guess most of the internet for the past nine years)that the whole "CA theme" thing was just WAY too limiting. Just yesterday I was thinking all they have to do is slightly alter the way we view the name and maybe add a word. In the same way DL is sometimes referred to as "Disneyland Park"(which I HATE btw), all they have to do is call is "Disney's California Adventure Park" and make people know it is simply a series of "adventures" or attractions set in a park in California. Lose the whole California theme and suddenly you can put ANYTHING in there, which they are doing ANYWAY. By slavishly holding themselves to the old CA theme it is only hurting how the fans see any new advancements. Or just completely rename it. Surely that can't be be TOO far away?
Originally Posted By jonvn You can put anything in a california park, too. It's not limiting at all. In fact, I think that's the problem. The scope is so BROAD, they can't figure out how to narrow it down to make a reasonable representation of the theme.
Originally Posted By BigJim89 Well Al Lutz has a new article up describing the new addition with some toubling news troubling news. From Mr. Lutz(miceage): <<The exact debut date of World of Color is still not known, but it's been pushed back since we last updated you. Originally slated for a winter 2009 debut while Fantasmic! was down due to the Rivers of America draining planned for '09, the debut was then pushed out to summer '09 to accommodate the completion of the custom amphitheater and the surrounding Paradise Pier makeover projects. But now the opening has been pushed out to the late winter or early spring of 2010, for a couple of reasons. The first issue has to do with the continuing tinkering with the Paradise Pier makeover construction timeline, as neither WDI nor TDA wants to cram huge crowds into the area if it is still under construction. Until the new Victorian era remake is completed on the south and west end of the lagoon, and the huge Little Mermaid complex is well underway to the north, no one is feeling too comfortable trying to debut this very expensive and very large new water show.>> Way to go TDA! I hope these this doesn't happen because I'm really excited fo WOC and logistically we don't need to add yet another thing to the construction mess in 2010. I hope the show still premieres Summer '09. Al also describes what looks to be the promising 8-minute TLM attraction and news regarding a new preview center location. It also appears that the Drive-in restaurant for Carsland has been canned as well. For more info hears a link <a href="http://miceage.com/allutz/al010808a.htm" target="_blank">http://miceage.com/allutz/al01 0808a.htm</a> (copy and paste)
Originally Posted By Bob Paris I personally crack up every time at his hidden comments over the images. I particularly laughed at the photo of a razed carp park/DCA construction site that hints the attendance was greater THEN than now. His continuing comments referring to DCA as the "spillover" park displayed the classic Lutz bile for DCA. I wonder when he will ever change his tune regarding the "heroin monkey" theme park? LOL
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <But now the opening has been pushed out to the late winter or early spring of 2010, for a couple of reasons. > bean, does that jibe with what you've heard?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Is is just me, or does the date for WOC keep getting pushed further and further back? Wasn't it originally supposed to premiere some time this year? I know they need time to do all the infrastructure work for it, but it's getting a little rediculous. By the time this show comes out, the technology will probably be less than state of the art (it may still be cool, but not as groundbreaking as they want us to believe), and it's possible that it will feature characters that we don't really care as much about any more (Mr Toad's Wild Ride anybody?). I just hope that this isn't true and that it still comes out within some reasonable ammount of time.
Originally Posted By BigJim89 ^ I agree with you Ferret Afros Upon considering the pushback of WOC I see several problems. The most troubling is the following statement: <<With that slip of the schedule however the folks in marketing jumped on the idea of making the 2010 debut of World of Color as part of their 55th Anniversary promotion for Disneyland. Much like the 50th Anniversary, the majority of the attention will be placed on Disneyland in 2010. However, the marketing team always likes to be able to tout something happening at DCA whenever they send out a marketing message regarding the Resort as a whole, and so now World of Color's debut will be folded into the overall 55th Anniversary marketing message for calendar year 2010. >> Not Good. If the folks at WDI want dramatic increases in attendance the focus needs to be on the new attractions. I think this expensive new show deserves to be marketed on its own. To simply cram it into an add for the 55th will cause confusion on the part of the GP and undermine the reasoning behind the new show and esssentially the whole expansion. Also pushing the timetable back will likely hurt attendance in 2009 with guests not wanting to venture out into Wall land with work already underway. While I'm sure TSMM will be fun I doubt it will be enough to make people manuever through the temp entry into the land of walls and bulldozers. This park drastically needs WOC, I see no benefit to pushing it back especially if the new viewing area is still to be prepared by 2009.
