Originally Posted By jonvn Don't be troubled, though. It will work out one way or another. The bigger the project, the more complicated it is. So who knows what they have to deal with really.
Originally Posted By bartholomewneff jonvn said: "I think it's overkill, too. You know, there are other architectural styles than victorian. The designers are just kind of in a rut. Really, they should have done art deco (said by me before)." Hey Jonvn, I love all kinds of architecture as much as any other Disney fan. I really love Art Deco because of its attachment to the golden era of Hollywood, but I don't think I've ever seen a Art Deco pier. I could be wrong, but I've never seen one. I have seen many beautiful Victorian ones though. I think the pier will be fine. I just hope they change Ariel's Grotto and the stores to match the rest of the old feeling and hopefully they'll cover King Triton's Carousel. We'll see, it's just great that they're finally making everything really elaborately themed.
Originally Posted By Brown Monkey I'm not sure I get why people are saying the Victorian theme will be overkill. Can anyone elaborate? I can see potential for so many different elements within that single theme, so if someone can explain this as "limiting", I'd appreciate it!
Originally Posted By Schmitty Good Vibes >>>but I don't think I've ever seen a Art Deco pier.<<< Truthfully, most of the piers I've seen, live and in pictures, are sort of all a mish-mosh of styles, and none overly attractive. A solid theme is sort of a fantasy, and that's what Disney should be good at.
Originally Posted By bean "Dabob2 Tue 1/8/2008 11:23a <But now the opening has been pushed out to the late winter or early spring of 2010, for a couple of reasons. > bean, does that jibe with what you've heard? " no as a matter of fact that is the timeline that i have heard for the opening of the Holiday version of the show. Mermaid should have no effect on guest traffic flow for the show. The only problem would probably be the wetsern edge of construction near the Beer garden but the viewing area is in the north side of the bay. Some of the construction times that Al gave seem off and not what i have been told. I know that they have been changing constantly but to actually push back WOC for more than a year seems strange.
Originally Posted By bean Also, there are other projects that are being proposed to be done by 2010 for Disneylands anniversary. I see no reason to have multiple big events crammed up into one celebration when a year later DCA will also get a huge campaign to celebrate its 10th anniversary and the opening of Mermaid and the entrance. I ahve also not heard of any prep work being done for Cars Land in 2008 like he mentions. Cars Land is not due to open till 2012. That is four to five years. Last I heard Car Land prep work would start late 2009 with full construction during 2010 and 2011.
Originally Posted By Nemo88 TDA has been consistantly pushing everything back,it seems like a pretty bad strategy if you ask me.Why arent they spreading the work around better?
Originally Posted By jmuboy Like I said, I have all but given up on DCA and TDA's ability to manage it. If they add something cool, I'll go see. if they never add another new ride to DCA then IDC (I dont care). I'm tired of hearing all these plans and then hear how they are canceled, postponed, delayed, revised, cut back, etc. I'll believe that WOC will actually happen when construction ACTUALLY starts. Otherwise, I'll see you in DL.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I like these two quotes - Pretty much sum up my feelings .... >>TDA has been consistantly pushing everything back,it seems like a pretty bad strategy if you ask me<< >>Otherwise, I'll see you in DL.<< LOL! You know ... I understand the need to not have too many projects going on ... when DCA needs to stay open .. and trickle in whatever money it can make ......... but why not prep work for Carsland (or whatever they call the land)... when it's well behind any pedestrian part of the park? In my humble opinion ... they REALLY need to have "full steam ahead!" on a makeover on this park. 2011 on the opening of anything sigificant is a long, long, long way off! And then again .. it's only one significant new attraction. ONE! As jmuboy would say ... in the meantime .......... See ya at Disneyland! ;-)
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Do they really need to add more bathrooms for the new show? I don't really think there will be that many more people peeing. Sure, they will wait for the show, may go while waiting, maybe after, but I don't see that big of an increase from the current levels. I guess they are hoping that there will be an overall increase in the numbers of people in the park, but how overcrowded are the current San Francisco bathrooms that they need to make them that much bigger. It seems like they could have half of the other side of the row be bathrooms, and then have a split-level preview center, using the space next to and above the bathrooms. I just don't see that many people needing to go while in that area. (But it does seem like a far walk from the Burger Invasion area to the nearest ones, IMO).
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "Do they really need to add more bathrooms for the new show? I don't really think there will be that many more people peeing. Sure, they will wait for the show, may go while waiting, maybe after" Hell, they'll all be standing in front of a giant lagoon! They could even set up targets in the water for the men and give prizes!
Originally Posted By oc_dean LOL! Well ... I just go through with reading Lut'z latest update ... and I see this June ... the bulldozers do indeed move into the Timon lot! Plus .... I read about the Preview Center place becoming a larger bathroom. See ... the San Francisco area was always destined to be The Bathroom of Tomorrow! ;-) And here I was griping about DCA's one new biggie - Little Mermaid. I'm thrilled to hear the ride is growing into a shear, bonafide true "E" ticket on the scope and scale of the Haunted Mansion. It appears it will be a nearly a full minute longer than HM. And I almost passed out to this ....... >>Gone are the days when a ride budget would be cut to beef up the gift shop at the exit, or an impressive effect would be scrapped in order to keep the surrounding restaurants and stores in the plan. That warped way of thinking had played out repeatedly during the Pressler and Harriss regimes, and DCA as a whole was infamous for overspending on stores and overbuilding restaurants while the rides set a new low for Disney. That Pressler-era thinking got DCA into the mess it's in now, and John Lasseter wants everyone to remember that.<< LOL
Originally Posted By Bob Paris It would seem the worm has FINALLY turned. Well, he turned and got a position at The Gap and then apparently couldn't even handle it there.
Originally Posted By oc_dean It's that last part: "John Lasseter wants everyone to remember that." Is what I loved most! LOL
Originally Posted By oc_dean So .. who knows ... the Drive-In theater restaurant "could" resurface later.
Originally Posted By Westsider This was another great update from Al Lutz! The hits and highlights just keep coming from him! It's such a fun read! I really liked the info about the mood lighting inside the new monorail trains. I recently flew on Virgin America is the funny thing, and their jets are really hip and cool looking with the LED lighting. They also have some of the hottest stewardesses in the sky, and if they told me the flight was stuck at the gate for three more hours I wouldn't have minded one bit. (But that's another story) But back to Lutz..... what a great update!
