Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<20% to everyone, no matter how bad or good the service is. A bad waiter can be an otherwise good waiter having a bad day. Maybe my tip will help them have a better day and give the next person better service. I do it all for you.>> How does giving someone a GOOD tip for BAD service do anything but encourage the same? That's like giving candy to a child who has misbehaved or buying a car from a dealer who screwed you over on your last purchase or Bristol Palin telling teens they should keep their clothes on. Bad service always gets a bad tip from me ... and there have been a few instances of no tip at all (with talks to management) when I've had truly horrendous servers.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***How does giving someone a GOOD tip for BAD service do anything but encourage the same?*** This one's for you, oh great and wise Spirit. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/y6eoc7" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/y6eoc7</a>
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys ***How does giving someone a GOOD tip for BAD service do anything but encourage the same?*** Read the whole post, not just the first sentence, Mr Spirit. That's my rationale. The difference between my rationale and your examples is that you can make choices with your examples. I just move on from a server who I will probably never see again and hope that someone like you gets better service.... Oh, and here's the last part of my post for your reading enjoyment.. >>A bad waiter can be an otherwise good waiter having a bad day. Maybe my tip will help them have a better day and give the next person better service. I do it all for you.>>
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys ^^ To clarify, by saying that you can make choices in your examples, I mean that you are able to see the result of the action and decide from there how to react, whereas, I just walk away hoping that I made someone's day better. I can live with that.
Originally Posted By Mr X To add more to demder and his more "shades of grey" approach, one might imagine that SOME of those surly servers out there might be in such a state from having received lousy tips all day. ***How does giving someone a GOOD tip for BAD service do anything but encourage the same?*** I don't think it makes much difference one way or the other, although I'm pretty sure (based on my link, sarcastic though it is) that most servers aren't going to get a lousy tip and decide to reflect upon their job performance because if it. Particularly since there are so many cheapskates out there that leave crappy tips no matter what the server does (and of course, vice versa there are people out there who will tip the same generous 20 percent or whatever whether a server does a good job or not). Why do we have a tipping system anyway? It's hardly necessary (Japan has no tipping, and things work just fine..if not even better).
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I can guarantee you one thing... a server never thinks a small tip means their service wasn't good. They just think the customer was cheap. If you get a small raise at work to you think it was because your work wasn't really as good as it could have been? I doubt it. You think it was small because your employer was cheap. Same thing with servers. On the other hand, when you give an above average tip (25% - 30%) they understand that you liked the service you were given. Just like when you are given a LARGE raise.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 If you get a small raise at work to you think it was because your work wasn't really as good as it could have been? I doubt it. You think it was small because your employer was cheap. I waas with you until this one- you are spoiled working for a government entity -- if I got a small raise, I'd likely have a heart attack since we haven't seen much of anything the last 2 years and expect nothing this year. Only those with <5 years service are seeing increased- for vets like me, regardless of performance ( since we're all doing the equiv of 2 jobs from just a few years ago)- it's, "be glad you have ajob" -- by that analogy, I'll take any raise as it's better than no raise
Originally Posted By Roger55 >>Why do we have a tipping system anyway? It's hardly necessary (Japan has no tipping, and things work just fine..if not even better).<< In Japan, providing good service is ingrained into the society. People working service positions take more pride in their work compared to those in the USA. Of course I am generalizing here and speaking about the service industry as a whole, not individual situations and circumstances. I don't agree with the approach that we need to motivate the service workers to provide good service through tipping. I like to use tipping as an acknowledgement and show of appreciation when good service is received.
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Originally Posted By MPierce >> Why do we have a tipping system anyway? It's hardly necessary (Japan has no tipping, and things work just fine..if not even better). << So would it be appropriate to not tip in the Japanese restaurants in the WS?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip We have a tipping system because restaurants do not pay servers minimum wage.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^^And that is allowed because???? Makes no sense to me. Welcome back MPierce, you've been missed.
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Originally Posted By MPierce Thanks Bobbelee. What are these Admins. about? I don't remember anything posted that was offensive.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Me either. Wish they'd at least leave the name of the poster so we'd know who'd been naughty.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***So would it be appropriate to not tip in the Japanese restaurants in the WS?*** lol. I suppose it depends on how much Disney is paying them. Servers in Japan earn a reasonable amount of money, thus no need to rely on tips (I doubt the servers in WS are earning above minimum wage, are they?).
Originally Posted By joe80x86 I tend to agree with Spirit good service = good tip, bad service = small or no tip. Of course if service is bad I also leave a little note on a napkin or the credit card receipt about why I am leaving a bad tip.
Originally Posted By Mr X No tip is extremely unfair, considering the fact that they are required to pay taxes on 8% or something like that.
