Originally Posted By jonvn I would love that! IT would be so fun. Walk out on the martian surface...make it cold, great for the florida summer....
Originally Posted By karlg Re #106 by Jonvn >>>"A person interested in the future can find out infinitely more sitting in their home they will ever see in a theme park. " You can also sit at home and watch a tv show about roller coasters, it's not the same experience as riding one. <<< If it is a ride vehicle system with changes in G forces and views, then you have something that needs to be experience to be “understood.†But come up with something that is not all about the ride vehicle. But what kind of “science†are you going to show them better in 10 to 20 minutes in a them park attraction than they can get in a 1 hour TV program? Much of science makes a pretty boring attraction to watch or “experience.†>>> The problem with a lot of this sort of talk ignores something very popular in Florda, Mission:Space. Yes, it makes people puke, but it's the perfect sort of thing that belongs in Tomorrowland. It's not about gadgets, it's fun, and it's about the future. "Simulating space travel for example is expensive, dangerous, and nauseating (see Space at Epcot)." It's not dangerous. <<< Mission Space is a poster child for being a bad theme park E-Ticket investment. A huge amount of money was spent and it was a no-wait attraction much of its first year of operation. Making guest sick on their vacations is not exactly a good thing and not a way to get a lot of people wanting to ride it again. It is an admission of failure that they had to turn of the centrifuge on one side of the attraction (kind of dumb to spend all that money on that second centrifuge wasn’t it?). Also the whole “theme†was you are going into a simulator versus say telling a story of going to the Moon or a trip under the North Pole in a sub. Where is the sense of imagination and story telling in Mission Space? Within a year or two of its opening, two people died. Yes they had “hidden medical conditions†but then again they might not have died for many years or ever from those conditions if they had not ridden Mission Space. If you were really training at NASA, they would have given you a medical physical and not just put up a few warning signs that it might be dangerous. Mission Space was a bad idea for a theme park attraction. Hey I’m not a big fan of Soar'n, but it certainly clobbers Mission Space in attendance at Epcot and I bet it cost a fraction to build. One big thing I will give Soar'n is that it is one of the few "big" attractions that the whole family can go one that Disney has built in a long time. I don’t see them panning on replicating Mission Space anywhere such as DL or Tokyo, but Soar'n would seem to be going in everywhere.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Serving Space Food Sticks and Tang. > Serving Space Mist Punch!! (Those over 40 will remember).
Originally Posted By jonvn "But what kind of “science†are you going to show them better in 10 to 20 minutes in a them park attraction than they can get in a 1 hour TV program? " As I said, first and foremost it has to be entertaining. Not a plodding and dull excursion into a lecture. This is the entire point of creating these things. Sure, you can watch a show on science explaining the atomic combination of a water molecule, or you can be shrunk down in size and actually travel through a water molecule. That is the sort of thing that would be good. "Mission Space is a poster child for being a bad theme park E-Ticket investment." That does not make it dangerous. We all actually quite enjoyed it. "It is an admission of failure that they had to turn of the centrifuge on one side of the attraction" I thought that side was wild enough as it was. It didnt' need the centrifuge, but that did add a lot to it. On my way out of the centrifuge part, there was a guy covered in puke. That entire hallway stunk of puke. Various pukes, actually. "Where is the sense of imagination and story telling in Mission Space? " Have you actually been on this? It's got a lot of that. "Yes they had “hidden medical conditions†but then again they might not have died for many years or ever from those conditions if they had not ridden Mission Space." I have ridden on it. I think that was simply an unfortunate coincidence. It's no more dangerous than any other roller coaster ride. People have died on many different rides. Someone got off on Indy and died. People died on Rock n roller coaster. I thought there was going to be something utterly horrible in the experience of this ride. You get a few G forces. That's really about it. Soarin' is a good ride, too, except. I don't like that ' on the end. Just spell the word out. They should replicate mission space in DL, though. Make the G forces less severe and it'll be fine for everyone. It's not that bad a ride.
Originally Posted By aracuanbird I suggest we forget whether something has "science" or not and instead ask: 1) is it fun? and 2) what's its purpose? Over the past 21 years, Disney has had some success on item #1. Star Tours was (is?) fun, for sure. So's Buzz for many folks. Nemo is the same deal. But on item #2, can anyone even answer that, other than the cynical "to make money" or the purely-pragmatic "to create more capacity." Attractions can be successful and "have science" when the two are paired properly. Back when Omnimax screens were still slick, a film like Cosmic Journey was so powerful with that presentation. I haven't seen this Space Shuttle ride at Kennedy, but I've heard many people rave, and the subject matter there involves today's wimpy lower-Earth orbit astroNOTS. Tomorrowland doesn't have to be about science, even. It just needs to be about a hopeful look to the future. I contend that today's Tomorrowland--at its best--just exists as a place to have fun. Nothing more to it than that. And it's a darn shame, because Disneyland started life as something better than a mindless diversion. AB When in Cyberspace visit: <a href="http://www.plausible-impossible.com" target="_blank">http://www.plausible-impossibl e.com</a>
Originally Posted By oneyepete I asked the science teacher here at school what kind of attraction he would put in TL that would be fun/educational etc. He has been to DL several times. He suggested using a similar ride such as Star Tours. Make the story line such that a spaceship gets off course somehow a travel through the rings of Satrun, the canyons of Mars, a black whole (science type things) and explain them along the way. He also mentioned, using the same mechanics, to take you through the earth between plate techtonics, an erupting volcano, the big trench (can't remember the name now)etc. That way you get the "thrill" of the ride and maybe learn something along the way.
Originally Posted By oneyepete This might be way off base, but what about a walk through aquairium or something similar. I know, there is one down south, but I find that very fasinating and so do kids. NIce and cool inside for the adutls, educational and I am sure ther could be entertainment in there some where. (and no characters )
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "On my way out of the centrifuge part, there was a guy covered in puke. That entire hallway stunk of puke. Various pukes, actually." Lovely. That's just what I want to see when visiting a Disney park. Yuck.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Lovely. That's just what I want to see when visiting a Disney park. Yuck." The smell was worse than the sight.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan What is it about the ride that causes so much nausea? Is it a sensation similar to the teacups?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Lovely. That's just what I want to see when visiting a Disney park. Yuck.>> I must go on good days. I've ridden the thing a couple of dozen times and never seen (or smelled) puke. It is a fantastic attraction. I'm convinced that if people followed the danged instructions there would be no problem. Look straight ahead. Don't look to the side. Don't close your eyes. Last time I rode I tried looking to the side for just a few moments to see what it would do. For the first time after riding Mission Space many times, I didn't feel that great when I got off. Not sick, not dizzy, not puking. But I didn't feel quite right for a couple of minutes after getting off. Moral of the story? Do what they say!!
Originally Posted By jonvn Since I didn't get sick, I'm not entirely sure. You are in a confined and enclosed space. You get some good G forces that come on and off at different times during the ride. In other portions of the ride, you are in a simulator type environment that points you in various ways. It's actually really fun, but the G forces are strong. I think what might do it is that your head does not quite realize where you are going, and your inner ear is telling you something your senses say is not happening. In the briefing before the ride, they tell you to not turn your head side to side look straight ahead at all times, do not close your eyes, and keep your head back. So it's likely a combo of vision/inner ear thing. It does not ever feel like you are going down a hill like on a roller coaster, that queasy feeling you get from that, which is actually what weightlessness feels like, I understand. But you are tossed back into your seat quite a lot, and while that is happening, you are moving. So, I don't know. I think the ride is perfectly fine without the G forces.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I'm convinced that if people followed the danged instructions there would be no problem. Look straight ahead. Don't look to the side. Don't close your eyes." That's what I did, and I was fine. Had to take a few deep breaths at the launch, though, because whoa, I did not expect that.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy I found M:S to be quite a bit nauseating, and I'm not really the type to get sick on these sorts of things. I mean, I've been tossed around on the Atlantic Ocean in hurricane winds and seas without getting sick, so it surprised me that a 3 minute spin on M:S would make me so uncomfortable. I don't think I'd try it again -- not very pleasant.
Originally Posted By Socrates After reading this thread (and various others) about the apparent lack of imagination at WDI, the addition of Pixar characters, the general dissatisfaction with the direction of Disney theme parks, etc, I've reached a conclusion: I've come to suspect the key ingredient is a sponsor willing to pay the big bucks needed to make a really great cutting-edge attraction. Am I right? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By Pirate Mickey Tomorrowland can be redesigned to bring in more people, but Iger and the accountants don't want to spend the money! If other Tomorrowlands are fun and bring in the people then Eisner and now Iger are "not" the creative geniuses that people claim them to be!
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Tomorrowland can be redesigned to bring in more people, but Iger and the accountants don't want to spend the money!>> Controlling costs is job #1 in the collective mind of Corporate America, while they give lip service to innovation.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Too true fkurucz. But those who still take chances (Apple, Toyota etc.) are seeming to reap great rewards. Sadly, in a world that would rather buy cheap rather than quality, there seems to be little incentive for companies to work hard in the quality and innovation stakes. So sad.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Tomorrowland can be redesigned to bring in more people>> DL is not hurting for guest; in fact, it's busier than ever. So there is not an urgency to fix TL. <<Iger and the accountants don't want to spend the money!>> You know this because...? Oh wait, you don't know. You're just here to parrot that tired line over and over, and to keep the "New DCA Nickname" thread on life support. <<If other Tomorrowlands are fun and bring in the people>> Who says the other TL's are that much better? I think they all need reimagineering. <<Eisner and now Iger are "not" the creative geniuses that people claim them to be!>> No one claims that Eisner or Iger are creative geniuses. Eisner however, was an excellent CEO. To deny what he did for Disney is ignorant.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip It was inevitable... Now that Disney is fixing DCA folks start trashing Tomorrowland. They always have to be dissatisfied with something.
