Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Well the DLR management team cut their teeth in WDW as did the HKDL team. Disney regard WDW as the breeding ground for its executive suite.>> Breeding ground ... first thing that entered my mind was roaches and other vermin, although I'm sure that's not what you intended.
Originally Posted By leemac <<although I'm sure that's not what you intended.>> Don't be so sure on that.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Is the e-ticket under consideration for Magic Kingdom something other than the big Incredibles ride?
Originally Posted By leemac There are 4 ideas under consideration right now. Only one of them is the Incredibles attraction for TL.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> truly sad on (DLP) the castle << What does this mean? Are there castle issues at DLP?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<What does this mean? Are there castle issues at DLP?>> Sadly. There are. The railings on the walkway leading you into the castle are rotting away. The concrete/plaster (not sure what material makes them up) is falling off and in a few spots you can see wood rot inside ... in one place termites have gotten in and there literally was a pile of wood debris on the walkway. The water in the moats has discolored and mildewed the sides of the castle and nearby rockwork too. This mildew is all over the beautiful fountain and water fall area inside the castle too (nothing like BTMRR, which is almost green in color though). On the Discoverland side, there are potholes that look like they belong on a NYC street in the pavement. Major work is going on, but just like with DL two years ago ... you can't credit the people in the exec suite. The place would fall apart if they didn't do this. And they have a big media bash planned for April's 15th anniversary. Just one example of how bad it's gotten is the Treehouse floorboards are so rotten away in some places that the attraction would likely have been shut down by the state if it were in Anaheim. The infrastructure at the whole Paris resort is literally crumbling due to neglect.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<There are 4 ideas under consideration right now. Only one of them is the Incredibles attraction for TL.>> And what might the others be?
Originally Posted By Skellington88 I wonder if the 4 ideas coincide to the 4 expansion slots: Adventure Land 1 Adventure Land 2 Fantasyland (20k Site) Tomorrowland (Skyway/COP/Galaxy Theater/open space)
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 After watching the "Modern Marvels" special on Walt Disney World again last night, I noticed something that related to this topic. They talked about building the theater for Lights, Motors, Action! and there was a canal there originally, so they had to move it. The imagineer interviewed talked about moving it like it was no big deal. So, there obviously is recent precident for Disney moving a body of water to expand the park. So, that area beyond the tracks in Tomorrowland could easily be filled in or re-routed to add space for a future attraction.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Good point. But the MK has so much unused space right now within the berm. It's certainly not space that's keeping the attraction count down.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Oh, I agree. I was mostly responding to the posts of Disney "can't" expand beyond the berm, or in certain backstage areas. It's been proven that they will move things around to accomodate new attractions.
Originally Posted By CMM1 Anytime you build something in Florida (especially on the WDW property) you are going to have to move some earth and move some water. WDW people know how to do that - it's just a matter of deciding if they want to build something new in the MK or not.
Originally Posted By oc_dean But what concerns me about this "Incredibles" idea .. it's been said it would require the spaces of the Galaxy theater, CoP, and the Skyway. IF they were to go with this idea .. and if it's so big, why cut themselves off by rounding it up to Space Mountain's entrance? Cuts off any possibility to have access points to rides built outside the railroad track. I trust Leemac's statements about crowding conditions currently in Tomorrowland. Well ... if that's the case ... and if CoP's days are really numbered .. then anything new in it's spot I beleive can be recessed back a bit to open up "walking" space within the land. And the removal of Skyway .. and putting ride entrances just immediately at the edge of the railroad track (ala Space Mountain) opens up PLENTY of space for people to move around. Logistically, and concerning crowding ... that seems like the logical idea - Build new rides outside the track of Tomorrowland. I can picture all kinds of possibilities .. various building shapes to compliment Space Mountain .. and enhance the land overall. I hope designers don't pigeon-hole themselves .. and not leave future access points to more attractions outside the railroad tracks.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I trust Leemac's statements about crowding conditions currently in Tomorrowland. Well ... if that's the case ... and if CoP's days are really numbered .. >> oc_dean I'm not convinced that CoP will be removed. Everything I have seen has the Incredibles attraction occupying space either side and behind that show building. I don't think WDI are keen to remove it at all. Now WDW management might have other ideas but I'd be surprised to see it levelled.
Originally Posted By ChiMike ^^ Exactly... It's really weird here in 2006. Almost completely opposite now, where it is groups in SoCal having to tell Florida what is in their best interest for operations and attraction roster. Very screwy compared to how isolated WDW became 15 years ago.
Originally Posted By leemac ChiMike it is 100% due to WDW's success. WDW was left alone by the old WDA group and it prospered. Now WDW management is integral to DLR and WDP&R. You can't argue with success.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 If CoP has to be moved etc...move it to where the WoL abandoned building is now in EPCOT...fixes 2 issues
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>If CoP has to be moved etc...move it to where the WoL abandoned building is now in EPCOT...fixes 2 issues<< If it goes anywhere I would rather it follow the Smithsonian rumor. Something more unlikely than this 1960s attraction finding a home in Future World. I think it would have a much better chance to prosper in a museum setting - and out of Disney's grip. >>ChiMike it is 100% due to WDW's success. WDW was left alone by the old WDA group and it prospered. Now WDW management is integral to DLR and WDP&R. You can't argue with success.< Yes I can if the success is gauged in short term revenue. Or that success comes off the work from those who were put out to pasture rather than success from current improvements & additions. We've already acknowledged that MK hasn't received anything major since Splash, yet the MK is still the most popular gem in Disney's crown. WHY? It's in horrible shape and sans Philharmagic has only added sub-par stuff since Splash. The answer to WHY in my mind is because of the hard work and actual imagination of those in charge 30, 40 years ago. Their lasting creations are what still appeal to folks enough to still be a popular draw 35 years later. Because those at Disney built for the next 50 years, not the next 5 quarters. Now on how much control is exerted from the West. That's up to a wide range of interpretation. Frank Wells & Judson Greene solidified the idea that WDW's marketing and daily operations should not be tampered with by those in California. That the guys in Florida knew what they were doing. Lately, along with Weiss' promotion, I have seen the complete opposite occur. I could very well be wrong. I think we both agree on the ends, maybe just have a different way of looking at the means. I actually believe that the different power structures in SoCal need to become MORE involved than they are now. I think the execs in Florida are completely out of their element. I think that going back to the central decsion making from the 70's back is what is very badly needed. Hence why the CoP hypothetical you laid out doesn't surprise me in the least. It goes back to what you mentioned earlier, WDW is now a breeding ground for employees. Between making your bones at WDW as an exec all the way down to the college program, WDW is now not known in the company as a serious group of chiseled veterans and well-trained front line employees. And, IMO, it shows.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I actually believe that the different power structures in SoCal need to become MORE involved than they are now.<< And while fanboy sentiment might have changed on Jay, I think the issue focuses on getting people who "get it" located at Florida addresses.
